Talk:Shima Hospital

I am a Japanese old man. I contribute it from Japanese Hiroshima.

I do not take proper English education, and my English is very poor.

I can translate English into Japanese. However, it is hard for me to translate Japanese into English.

Shima hospital is a personal clinic administered by the grandchild of the founder now.

At last I was able to obtain a document with objectivity. However, there is not the English version of this document. To make matters worse, some old Japanese are used for this original document.

I straightened the old difficult Japanese of the document which I obtained in simple Japanese. And I translate it into rough English here and describe it.

I hope to correct my description for regular English who it is.--ENG0000 (talk) 06:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

In addition, I received an A-bomb in a childhood in Hiroshima, and it was helped by Dr. Shima.

The Japanese court of law assumed that the use to Japan of the American A-bomb was violation of international law.

However, according to us who experienced a battlefield, it is my true intention that the laws are over only in second guessing not a used thing in a life-or-death real battlefield.

The Japanese Government which began war is responsible, and the Japanese court of law accepts it.

It was a fortress of Japan Army which was out of order which demanded that Hiroshima died to all the Japanese citizens at the time of 1945.

The manner of the Japanese army soldier was tyrannical.

When I played in an alley, it was caught by a soldier of the Japanese army, and it was flung against a wall till I lost consciousness.

I will not be here now if an A-bomb is not dropped.

I ask my person watching clumsy English description. You please watch my description as a historical fact without prejudicing.--ENG0000 (talk) 08:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

numerical bleached bone?

志摩先生, Please explain what the meaning of the phrase "numerical bleached bone" is.

Were they finger bones, the only leftover of the patients and staff?

Were they something else I fail to understand?

"The corpse completely became the bleached bone" suggest that the only leftovers of patients and staff was bones. Is the sencence true?

Please help me rewrite the article in a way that could be better accepted by the english grammar rules.

Thanks a lot for the rather interesting story!

どうも有難う御座いました、志摩先生. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.226.135 (talk) 02:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not Dr Shima.

I am one of the patients who took treatment of first Dr Shima. And I take treatment of Dr Shima of the third generation now.

There were few records of Shimabyouin Hospital which became the book, but I discovered it at last. It was written by a wife of first Dr Shima.What is written in the book completely accords with my memory.

I do not take proper English education for that war. Thank you for correcting my wrong English.

"numerical bleached bone" This mean is a bone of a lot of people who became white by high heat.

"The corpse completely became the bleached bone" suggest that the only leftovers of patients and staff was bones. Is the sencence true?

Yes. My clumsy English troubles you. I add some explanation. All the people who were in Shimabyouin hospital on that day died. And all the members become only the bone and do not still understand it which bone is who. What survived in Shimabyouin hospital only as for two people. It is Dr Shima and nurse alone. On August 8, I went along the side of Shimabyouin hospital to look for an older sister. I remember that Shimabyouin hospital collapsed straight lengthwise well. Therefore I think that a bone was barely left under debris. --ENG0000 (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Eng-san, I have a question for you

神奈川さんはので、被爆者ですか？あなたは、私はこのテーマについてあなたの洞察は、我々はこの記事の出来る最高のものだと思うしている場合。私は本当にあなたがこの記事についての言いたいことがある聞いて興味があります。 うわー。私は高校の歴史教科書にいるような気がする。 ご貧しい日本語をお許しください。

For those of you who don't know Japanese... Eng-san, so are you a hibakusha? If you are then I think your insight on this subject would be the best thing we could do for this article. I am really interested to hear what you have to say about this article. Wow. I feel like I'm in my high school history textbooks. Please excuse the poor Japanese.

サー場合は、 "Google Translate" 聞いたことがある？おそらくあなたは何ができるかを言っておきたい書き込みされ、その後英語に翻訳します。それは完璧ではないが、それは結構です。それが読みやすくなります。

Sir, have you heard of Google Translate? Perhaps what you could do is write what you want to say and then translate it to English. It is not perfect but that is fine. It will make it easier to read. Lilly (talk) 03:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Sir.

Yes.I am hibakusya of Hiroshima. On August 6, 1945, I was bombed at 1,200m than Ground Zero.I played by chance then in a cave. And I was saved.

And I thank for all correcting my wrong English very much.

I take treatment in Shima hospital more than 70 years.

When war with U.S.A. began, Dr Kaoru Shima which knew U.S.A. well grieved very much.

Dr Kaoru Shima was famous as the doctor who studied at a Mayo clinic.

There was not able to be the thing that we and the doctor talk about the war after war was over. It was very pleasant that we heard a story of the life in his U.S.A.

In Hiroshima in particular, it was unhappy that a citizen was close to American culture war ago. Because Mazda and FORD were very friendly, there were culture from U.S.A. and a product for civic life war ago a lot in the town of Hiroshima. The light of my house was a product of GE, and I knew Mickey Mouse. And Coca-Cola was sold in the town of Hiroshima, too. I did not understand it why it was fought against U.S.A. in a juvenile mind.

In both Japan and U.S.A., there are people writing a hysteric thing about an A-bomb, but I assert that it is that the person who does not know good relations before the war between Japan and U.S.A. says. Insistence of hibakusya is negation of all war that some human beings holding national power fundamentally cause without permission.

At last I find the book showing the history of Shima Hospital and record it here.--ENG0000 (talk) 12:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Instant skeleton bones?

The source for the disputed sentence-"Kaoru Shima and the nurse found a large quantity of bleached bones at the bottom of the debris, as the corpses had immediately become skeletonized by the blast"- is Shima himself. However Shima was not an expert on the Effects of nuclear weapons or on explosions in general, therefore while I do not doubt he later saw skeletons and bones within the remains of the Hospital AFTER he came back hours to days later, I do hold his statement that they were "immediately skeletonized by the blast" in high suspicion! As he has no evidence, just conjecture, for this view seen as he wasn't standing there beside these people or recording the response these people went through when the blast wave arrived..exactly where did he even get this "immediate skeleton" idea?

To explain the skeletons - The city of Hiroshima experienced a firestorm, about 30 minutes after the bombing that lasted an hour or two. Like other firestorm events, the fires are intense enough to cremate those caught inside the storm. For example, there are many examples of pictures of skeleton bones etc. after the Bombing of Dresden and even the mass fire following the Bombing of Tokyo. Furthermore, to completely dispel Shima's idea, the blast would not leave behind a skeleton while blowing the persons skin and muscle away, really, Shima's description sounds like something taken straight out of a cartoon, or an idea someone would think of after watching too many cartoons. Intense Blast waves(even more intense than that experienced at the hospital according to the book "The effects of nuclear weapons") rip limbs off, and leave chunks of bone and flesh combined together. They do not make an instant skeleton! For graphic images of what very intense blast waves do, see the attached link, warning very graphic/gory images! http://nobombs.net/brucel/Explosiveinjury9.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.79 (talk) 22:23, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that the statement can stay as is, if a disclaimer is added. When a source is potentially questionable it can still be included in Wikipedia if it is pointed out who/what the source is (and why the information might be questionable). So, if someone would add such a disclaimer, it should be fine. For example:

According to the memories of Dr. Shima's wife, Kaoru Shima and the nurse found a large quantity of bleached bones at the bottom of the debris, which they assumed were the result of the corpses immediately becoming skeletonized by the blast.

One could further add that this is unlikely true. For example:

Judging by other accounts of the effects of the atomic blast, such as X, Y, and Z, however, Shima's assumption might be incorrect as it doesn't align with what researchers X, Y, and Z have observed, i.e. the following: [placeholder for description of observations].<ref placeholder> The skeletonization might have been caused by something other than the blast, such as the fire that followed the explosion.<ref placeholder>

Nakonana (talk) 14:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Forgot to add my humble knowledge on the skeletonization via blasts: it might be more accurate to say that the skeletonization happened due to the heat of the explosion, as it is often said that victims of the atomic bomb literally vaporized from the immense heat, leaving only shadows behind (or skeletons, maybe). Atomic blasts are not the type of blasts that "merely" rip off limbs. See Human Shadow Etched in Stone or https://www.lib.uidaho.edu/digital/hiroshima/items/hiroshima019.html . So, the doctor's assumption might be close to the truth. Nakonana (talk) 14:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Generally the human bone in the center of an explosion was in such a condition. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%81%BA%E9%AA%A8