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Taxonomy help wanted[edit]

Some questions:

  • Are songbirds and oscines the same thing? Oscines redirects here, oscine doesn't.
  • According to this article, oscines is the suborder. According to oscine, Passeres is the suborder. Which is correct?

Should one of these articles really be a redirect to the other? Soo 14:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

The sentence "Another name that is sometimes seen as scientific or vernacular name is Oscines, from Latin oscen, "a songbird"." also does not make sense. Is Oscine 'seen as' scientific, or is it scientific? Or is it vernacular? (talk) 04:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

more taxonomy[edit]

The conflict noted above seems to be fixed now, but the taxobox says the suborder is Passeri, while the first sentence says "Oscines". Also, what type of classification are "Passerida" and "Corvida"? --Allen 05:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


with several thousand species of songbird, sure we can do better than a magazine cover. jimfbleak 05:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

General Question[edit]

What birds are NOT song birds? Ducks, birds of prey, owls, cuckoos, parrots, hummingbirds, swifts.....jimfbleak 16:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Taxonomy problem[edit]

I am very confused. The large Icteridae family (blackbirds and orioles) are not listed here, although they are in superfamily 'Passeroidea' which appear to all be oscine birds. The related Parulidae family also doesn't appear here. Is there some reason for this? Oscines appears to be an infraorder : does it not include these families? (There are other missing families as well.) The problem is that Wiki's List of birds does include Icteridae and Parulidae in its list of Suborder Passeri ("oscines") so there appears to be a conflict. The "Tree of Life" website( ) also calls all of the Passeroidea family "sparrow- and thrush-like 'songbirds'." Can anyone clarify? NaySay 17:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I seem to remember that the creator of this article used HANZAB as a source, which would not have include many of the families that do not occur in that region. Obviously the icterids and New World warblers should be there. jimfbleak 12:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Corvida and Passerida[edit]

Is the division of suborder Passeri into the parvorders Corvida and Passerida sufficently non-controversial that if I were to create the stub articles and categories for them and edit the family articles and this article as well that it would be acceptible? Caerwine Caerwhine 23:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with this. jimfbleak 05:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
And it is done. It wasn't as straightforward as I thought it would be when I started, but it is done. Caerwine Caerwhine 10:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
The "Corvida" are not accepted anymore. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 00:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Looking to Add Additional Information[edit]

I am currently working on a project for my Evolution course in college. I am looking to add a section regarding the research of songbirds. I have found multiple research articles regarding songbird mimetic vocalization and would like to share this information. In the description section I would give a overview of the vocal abilities of the songbird, adding to the brief points currently on the page, and how this affects their fitness. I can also improve this article by creating a section on vocalization of songbirds using information from scientific sources. In this section I will focus a lot on the effect vocalization has on sexual selection in songbirds as well as other factors mimicry has such as an individual's repertoire of songs. I am able to contribute specific mating preferences by specific examples of species through research articles I have found. These would include characteristics regarding whether the season changes the type of song the bird sings or the syntax of the song the bird sings. Price.820 (talk) 05:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Added new section with more info[edit]

I added a new section regarding more in depth information regarding songbird repertoire and courtship. References are properly cited.