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The BRAMLEY APPLE

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Some confusion arises here in Southwell when this term is used. It refers to the apple of course, the tree from which it comes is still in existence and still bears fruit and is not lost to the pub of the same name The Bramley Apple as mentioned in the Southwell entry. The pub the Bramley Apple was re-named some years ago and is still known by a few of the older generation as The George and Dragon. The third Bramley Apple is the local free-sheet newspaper (published monthly) a well respected local newspaper. Ron Wood (www.Southwell-Online.co.uk)

Why does Hampshire County Council think that the Bramley apple came from Bramley, Hampshire? http://www.hants.gov.uk/localpages/north_east/tadley/bramley/ Other sources say the tree's owner was called Matthew Bramley, eg: http://www.treecouncil.org.uk/tws/GBTPress%20Release.htm

Pronunciation

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The pronunciation of Southwell has been described as a subject of debate since Southwell oldid=6906797.

I think that this is not the case at all. Southwell is pronounced south-Well

I base this assertion on the fact that I have lived in south Nottinghamshire for some time and I have never ever heard a local person use any other pronunciation, and that I have often heard people correct others, saying that other pronunciations are simply wrong.

It is certainly worth including the pronunciation, and pointing out that people who first come across the name by reading it rather than hearing it often get it wrong, but I think the current article isn't accurate.

The history of the pronunciation (and how it came to differ from the speling) is still interesting and worth including.

Anyone else care to comment? Are there any local people who say south-well and refuse to accept this "correction"?

TomViza 16:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have lived in Southwell for a number of years, and count myself among a large proportion of people, quite possibly a majority, pronouncing it South-well. It is most certainly still a subject of debate, and I must say a far larger proportion of people actually living there pronounce it thus than elsewhere Cdyson37 (T) 23:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think some of the confusion surrounding the correct pronounciation might arise from the fact that there is also Norwell, which, unsurprisingly, is situated to the northeast of Southwell.

This might not seem very important, but it is at least something worthy of consideration. If only because that these two wells had a fairly large part to play in the establishment of the Minster Church at Southwell. ( The southern well producing the purer water (Probably) )

  • I was born and brought up in Southwell (1951-1969) and only ever heard it pronounced Suthell. Of course, newer residents who don't know any better might pronounce it South-well. As for Norwell - that was only ever pronounced Nor'l, which is consistent with the pronunciation of Southwell I'm familiar with. DrJohnBrooke 15:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would also argue with the Bramley apple being noted for its sweet taste, as it is a cooking apple and (at least from our tree in Southwell) was always incredibly tart... DrJohnBrooke 15:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Stored three months on an outhouse shelf and Bramleys become sweet. Bmcln1 (talk) 09:32, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I grew up in the areas around Southwell (80s-00s), though never Southwell itself, and have never heard it called anything else other than suth-ell, including my grandparents too. I think the fact that the minster is generally referred to as Suth-ell Minster rather than Southwell Minster both further afield and acedemically is further weight that this is likely the correct pronunciation. However, it seems a significant number of residents these days do refer to it as Southwell, so this should be recognised too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.187.191 (talk) 01:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My grandfather moved to Fiskerton (~4 miles south easy of Southwell) in the 1920's, and my family have live in and around Southwell since then. My uncle married into a large farming family who have lived in Norwell for far longer. Everyone I know, whether related to me or not, pronounces it "SUHthul". Pronunciations do change over time as populations move, and it would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between southwell/SUHthul and length of time in the area. I note the (entirely annecdotal) evidence above seems to suggest that those pronouncing it southwell are not originally from the local area and it is perhaps that a shift has started within the last 30/40 years or so. I also wonder if there is a link with the demographic of Southwell itself which, as is noted elsewhere in the article, is "something of an oddity for north Nottinghamshire, being visibly affluent, when compared with its near neighbours of Newark-on-Trent and Mansfield". Perhaps the pronunciation split is between the affluent residents and the local "farming stock" whose roots in the area go deeper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.249.236.6 (talk) 08:34, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear fellow-editors, please be brief. Southwell can be pronounced two different ways. Both should appear. I think the point has been made. Bmcln1 (talk) 10:04, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GR708535

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In the lead is a text about the "well", being at "GR708535". What does this mean? I think this needs a bit of explanation. Dick Bos (talk) 05:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At a guess the GR refers to grid reference and from the format it is an Ordnance survey reference, though is missing the square reference, assuming it is close to Southwell the reference should be SK708535, which gives you SK708535 as a location. Keith D (talk) 16:47, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing in transport section

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Hi everyone, I've just formatted the transport (Bus services) into a table format. By doing this I have added references for each service and removed those not in use any more; therefore for voiding the notice previously at the top of the section (which I have removed). If anyone has a problems let me know! Døddmeïßter47™ 22:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doddmeister47 (talk • contribs)

I had to remove 1 of the references as it was to another wiki article. You cannot use another wiki article as a reference to support something it must be to some external source. Keith D (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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