Talk:Stephen Hall (Baháʼí)

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Relevance

Given that the Universal House of Justice is the highest governing body of the Bahá'í Faith, having a page of one of its members containing basic information about his biography, writings, and religious activity is wholly noteworthy. Regards, A35821361 (talk) 12:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Membership alone does not appear to be noteworthy enough, as he is not covered at all by any third party sources. The members of the institution have no power or authority outside of the collective decisions of the group, so it makes sense that they are not widely covered by outside sources. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 15:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

The only reliable sources for this article are the statement from the Baha'i World News Service, which is rather short, and a slightly more lengthy one from the Baha'i International Community. Rather than reword/repeat what was in the BIC article, I put it as a quote. The only other reference to him was about the Sunland group's 2004 Financial Report, which simply lists a "Stephen Hall" as a CEO for childcare services with no further information, and certainly nothing indicating that the Stephen Hall referenced in the report is the same Stephen Hall that was elected to the Universal House of Justice. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 05:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You delete several relevant bits of biographical information, including the reference to Stephen Hall's being the chief executive officer for the Child Care Centre project of Soheil Abedian's Sunland Group, which is cited from the Australian Securities Exchange.^[1] Regards, A35821361 (talk) 13:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I already mentioned the reference to Sunland group, your reference simply indicates that someone named Stephen Hall is listed, and there is no obvious connection between the name and the member of the House of Justice. Maybe if a biography of him also mentioned the Sunland group then there would be a connection. In the meantime, it's original research and the standard for biographies of living people encourages deleting poorly sourced references. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 15:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Sunland Group Limited, Financial Report for the year ended 30 June 2004" (PDF). Australian Securities Exchange. 2004. pp. 10, 16. Retrieved May 30, 2017.

Repeated deletions

The repeated deletions remove information pertinent to the article, such as his service as an Auxiliary Board Memebr and his employment with the Sunland Group. Regards, A35821361 (talk) 02:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Those are both unsourced. As I mentioned previously, there is no obvious connection between Sunland's audit mentioning the name Stephen Hall among numerous other names, and the member of the House of Justice and subject of this article. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 02:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

They are sourced. Regards, A35821361 (talk) 02:58, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources in the version you are reverting to:

The article on the Zambia Gatherings is sourcing the comment "in 2008, he was appointed to the International Teaching Center". The article doesn't mention Stephen Hall. It does mention Stephen Birkland, but not about appointment to the ITC.
Smith's Encyclopedia of the Baha'i Faith is the source for a statement about the purpose of the ITC, which hardly needs a source because it has its own article.
The Sunland Group's financial report mentions a Stephen Hall as "CEO Childcare" with absolutely no other mention of him. That is not enough information to connect the Stephen Hall from the financial report to the Stephen Hall who is a member of the Universal House of Justice. It appears speculative, and you have not revealed your source for the connection, since obviously you did not just happen to find his name in the report yourself.

Two of those are not about Stephen Hall, and one is not reliable. That leaves two sources about the subject of the article, which are from One Country, a Baha'i magazine, and the Baha'i World News Service. The lengthier one of those two is quoted in its entirety in the version I'm reverting to, and the other is just a casual mention of him. Neither of those mention any details about his work as an Auxiliary Board Member. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 15:45, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Sunland Group Limited, Financial Report for the year ended 30 June 2004" (PDF). Australian Securities Exchange. 2004. pp. 10, 16. Retrieved May 30, 2017.

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