Talk:Steve Roper and Mike Nomad

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Above rating of this article[edit]

I've substantially edited and extended this article (Steve Roper and Mike Nomad) with fuller information and sources, and also with links to new articles I wrote on the strip's main authors. So, does this article still rate as just "Start Class"? If so, could someone explain what else is needed? Perhaps more graphics of panels from the earlier years of the strip? I can supply those and have them ready as jpgs, but am still trying to figure out Wiki's uploading procedure for graphics.SteveRoper 05:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added the Bclass checklist and imposed my opinion, and think it's close, just some thoughts:
  • The lead bears to be 1 or 2 paragraphs longer, just giving a broad overview of the details that follow in the body.
  • The introductory boldfaced "new title" names should appear in the lead, and subsequently italicized in the body. As above, with an expanded lead section, the many names of this strip would appear for the first time in the introduction, easier to follow in the article's chronological progression, and later mentions simply in MoS-T italics.
  • The referencing and ref section ought to be modernised. I favour a split between the general references that have article-wide application (such as those one would find in a "Further reading", often print sources) and spot citing particular points of facts where a reader might be curious to a specific source, especially those sources online like the various toonopedia articles. So in example a "tight" ref section I favour:
*Saunders, John. 1986 (and 1987). Foreword to ''Steve Roper and Wahoo''. Blackthorne Publishing, books 1 and 2.
  • Considering how many phases this strip has undergone, I think it is justified to feature more Illustrations of how the expression has changed. The most notable "first publication events" are reasonably featured under Fairuse of nonfree imagery.

    Otherwise I think it's a job well done in sourcing and explaining the subject. MURGH disc. 14:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

It needs to be cited. Otherwise, it's almost B class. MwNNrules (talk) 16:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The "External link"[edit]

I would like to propose deletion of the link to the "memorial lounge." Anyone object? Especially "jgbook," who apparently added it? It was a good idea at the time, with further discussions of this strip, but with unmoderated junk ads filling it, it's become an embarrassment. SteveRoper (talk) 05:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll easily join a consensus on that. Per WP:EL there is no guilt in removing a yahoogroup link ;) MURGH disc. 14:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Fran Matera[edit]

After John Saunders' death , Fran Marera made some changes in the strip . Most notable of these was that Steve Roper was brought back to co-star status in the strip ( Presumably leaving his poker games with Barney Google at the Superannuated Strips' Top Men's Club Cabana aside . ) , with the Sunday strips dedicated to adventures of Steve and the daily continuing with Mike Nomad-oriented stories , this in itself being a change from the strip's long-established pattern of continuous daily and Sunday continuities . Furhermore , the graphic grid of the daily strips cahnged too , with the rigid two-panel pattern of the dlies that had held for many years being changed for a more open look . as the story demanded . On a less creative front , the post-Saunders daily strips became remakes of old stories , with every full story in the daily continuities post-Saunders being a retelling of an old story . Furthermore , some panels in these remade stories were repats of panels used when the first version of the story was done , not newly drawn ones . ( On some occasions , the reused panels had some alterations made to them for the Mk. II versions , however . ) The last full daily story told of Mike's involvement with a young widow of a Marine killed in Iraq and her child . In the original version from the Eighties , her husband's death had occured in Lebanon .

To the "Fran Matera" poster... (I came across your comment while editing and can no longer locate it.) Thanks for the encouragement. The additions are fully documented when referring to outside sources like Saunders' own interviews and autobiography. When they refer to what happened when in the strip, I take responsibility as one who has read and studied the entire strip from beginning to end, and have most of it in digital form for documentation. --"SteveRoper" —Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveRoper (talkcontribs) 05:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

PS: and just for clarification, the digital copies I worked with came from newspapers 1936-2004: definitely a "printed source."SteveRoper 21:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Male soap?[edit]

What the hell is "male 'soap'" referred to in the article?

If we figure out what it is, can we provide a reference page?

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Tone, other fixable issues[edit]

There is a lot of great information in this article, most of it cited although sometimes not very precisely. The article's WP:TONE, though, is very non-encyclopedic, with a lot of POV terms — things like "In a gripping climax" and "he leaped for love in his late forties"? I've tagged the sections and will try to work on these and hope other editors will do the same. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)