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I didn't put the cleanup tag on here, but I think the problem is that the information is not presented in an encyclopaedic way; "this is a flag to the theologian" etc. Tamarkot 15:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Reproduction of sources in ss. 4 and 5[edit]

The majority of "4. Vatican interpretation" and "5. Context" are just lifts from the Vatican website. Is there any way these can be removed without compromising the content of the page? The former especially is almost the whole document. I appreciate that s. 4 is the answer to the questions, but surely this falls in the copyvio trap (see "Unacceptable use"). (talk) 08:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, WP:NPS. (talk) 10:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this entirely misleading?[edit]


Lumen Gentium defines a three grade levelling hierachy regarding the inclusion into the catholic church, which are called (I translate this from German memory) something like the "three levels of catholic unity". According to this, the (non-united) Eastern Churches only miss the last level of catholicy (which is accepting the primacy of the Bishop of Rome). Those are catholic enough to spend us sacraments in case no roman catholic priest is available. In case of death, it is allowed (and for several reasons to be considered safe) to be saved from hell by said orthodox guys, if I may say so.

Therefore this article appears to be entirely misleading, since comments about a wording by some bishops can not possibly invalidate the whole meaning of a document from a oecumenical council.

The eastern churches are therefore in catholic unity up to the issue they do not accept the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, which makes them catholic or not catholic, depending on just how the term catholic is being used right now, either as "catholic" or as a confession. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)