Talk:Svetlana Gerasimenko

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Science and Academia

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the science and academia work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Astronomy Mid‑importance

	Astronomy portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Astronomy, which collaborates on articles related to Astronomy on Wikipedia.AstronomyWikipedia:WikiProject AstronomyTemplate:WikiProject AstronomyAstronomy articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Soviet Union Mid‑importance

	Soviet Union portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Soviet Union, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Soviet UnionWikipedia:WikiProject Soviet UnionTemplate:WikiProject Soviet UnionSoviet Union articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Tajikistan Mid‑importance

	Tajikistan portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Tajikistan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Tajikistan-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TajikistanWikipedia:WikiProject TajikistanTemplate:WikiProject TajikistanTajikistan articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women scientists Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women scientists, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in science on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women scientistsWikipedia:WikiProject Women scientistsTemplate:WikiProject Women scientistsWomen scientists articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

First name[edit]

Her first name should apparently be Svitlana rather than Svetlana since she is Ukranian and not Russian. Any comments? Tkuvho (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guess she is a citizen of Tajikistan, so it is irrelevant. In an case, we should follow reliable sources.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a record from the Smithsonian using the "Svitlana" spelling: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014cosp...40E.562C Tkuvho (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see Svetlana for example here and here. For Svitlana, indeed, I see the Smithsonian and RFE/RL.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Btw Ukrainian spelling should also provide Herasymenko rather than Gerasimenko.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to find her homepage to see how she herself might spell it but was unsuccessful. Have you seen any English-language publications by her? Tkuvho (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can check, since I have access to the citation index, but physicists and astronomers rarely add the full name, only initials. She does not have a talk page, I checked this a couple of days ago.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, nothing with the full name.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian[edit]

Any reason the fact she was living in the Ukrainian SSR should not be mentioned in the article?--Ymblanter (talk) 20:35, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ymblanter, this is ridiculous. See infobox: "Baryshivka, Kiev Oblast, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union". I have not seen that Wikipedia wrote the American Texan, British Scottish... in lead section. "Soviet Ukrainian" is not demonym. Also see Wikipedia:Notability and Soviet people. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 20:45, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would be fine with just writing Ukrainian, without Soviet. Check Taras Shevchenko: does the definition in the lead say he was from the Russian Empire?--Ymblanter (talk) 21:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your argument is not convincing because of WP:OTHERSTUFF. Because it is known as a Ukrainian poet, not Russian. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure whay you are fighting with. Take George Washington Browne, he is defined as a Scottish architect. There is a dedicated category, Category:Scottish architects.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFF. There is not written "British Scottish". It does not apply to Svetlana Gerasimenko. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 07:00, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed to remove "Soviet" and keep "Ukrainian", this would be a full analogy with Browne.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:41, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. Also see Gordon Ramsay (Changed "Scottish" to "British"). Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 07:56, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean "it has nothing to do with Ukraine"? When she discovered the comet, she was employed by a Ukrainian university. Do we at least agree on this?--Ymblanter (talk) 08:09, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, actually I am incorrect, she was employed in Almaty. Ukrainian indeed has to go, but she must be marked as Kazakhstani astronomer.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:11, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The state called the Soviet Union, not Ukraine or Kazakhstan. She was a Soviet citizen, not Ukrainian. She is known as a Soviet scientist, not Ukrainian. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 08:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You know, Scotland also last existed as independent state in the 16th century. Ok, I am afraid we need to take it to WP:DRN.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know, and? Please do not deviate from the topic. "Ok, I am afraid we need to take it to WP:DRN" — You didn't bring convincing arguments to defend "Soviet Ukrainian". Better remove the "...Ukrainian". Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 11:57, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have sometimes an impression you are not really reading the discussion but bring whatever randomly pops up in your head. It should not be "Soviet Ukrainian", it should be "Kazakhstani".--Ymblanter (talk) 12:23, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I already wrote about it. Are you not reading the discussion. She's a Soviet scientist, not a Kazakh or Ukrainian. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 16:00, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If we follow up, all Scottish scientists are British, not Scottish. This is not a good argument. May be you should read the fucking manual before continuing.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the person is known as Scottish scientist — Scottish scientist. British? British scientist. Svetlana Gerasimenko is known as a Soviet scientist. I can cite sources? Please, Ymblanter. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 16:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, if you want to change the lede you need to cite reliable sources demonstrating she is known as Soviet scientist and not as Kazakhstani / Ukrainian scientist.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here are reliable sources calling her a Ukrainian scientist: [1], [2], [3]--Ymblanter (talk) 16:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious sources. First heard about them. Here is a more reliable sources.: BBC, RBTH, The Jerusalem Post, RT. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, we are back to Soviet Ukrainian then. Note that your second source does not call Gerasimenko a Soviet astronomer.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:30, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Thanks for the discussion, Ymblanter. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 18:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]