|WikiProject Novels / Fantasy||(Rated C-class, Mid-importance)|
- 1 Organization of Page
- 2 Pictish Wilderness-Colonial California Connection
- 3 Eastern Kingdoms
- 4 Asgard/Vanaheim
- 5 Hyborian Age vs Hyboria
- 6 Hyborian Age inspired by the bible?
- 7 Removal of Lemuria from Hyborian Age kingdoms
- 8 Typo
- 9 Pseudo Celtic Hyborian Kingdoms?
- 10 Nemedia
- 11 south east europe
- 12 Hyborian Age page confusion rectified
- 13 Requested move
- 14 Pathenia
- 15 Modest proposal
- 16 Vilayet might not relate to the Caspian
- 17 About the Styx
- 18 Dating
Organization of Page
Pictish Wilderness-Colonial California Connection
I am interested in finding out what relation the Pictish Wilderness has to do with colonial California. --Kortoso 18:55, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- Uh, nothing? The 'pictish wilderness' would be set in Europe. Name is taken from the Picts. It has nothing to do with North America. --Emb021 19:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Howard's Picts originated in his equivalent of Northern America ages before the Hyborian Age. They moved to the west and inhabited islands at the time of King Kull. That could be the link they have to Northern America. Furthermore Howard gave an American colonial feeling to the Pictish Wilderness, with Picts more or less inspired by Amerindians and waring against Aquilonia which was trying to settle westward into the Pictish lands. Corriel 11:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
What about the Eastern kingdoms of the Hyborian Age: Kosala, Kusan, Uttara Kuru? Kusan's name is most likely inspired by the historical Kushan Empire.
"Scandinavian" describes numerous countries in northwestern Europe, and REH's Aesir and Vanir are predominantly Viking, which is reminiscent of Dark Age Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. Spartan198 (talk) 16:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC) Spartan198
Scandinavia describes only 3 countries, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. I don't know how to properly sign my post, sorry if that doesn't make me serious. -Wingsforsheeba —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingsforsheeba (talk • contribs) 17:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay, let's compromise, then. Just "Scandinavian" could apply to any point in the history of those countries from the Bronze Age to modern times. Can we settle on "Dark Age Scandinavia"? That would denote specifically the so-called Golden Age of Viking society. Spartan198 (talk) 17:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC) Spartan198
All right. Glad we could come to even ground. As for the seriousness remark, I'd thought better of it yesterday during our conversation and removed it. That was rude and uncalled for, and I apologize. Spartan198 (talk) 23:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC) Spartan198
Hyborian Age vs Hyboria
Anyone think that it's worth pointing out that "Hyboria" is incorrect? Maybe in the text box of the Hyborian Age map (which uses the word). The recent release of AoC has awakened me to how much I despise that non-REH term. (188.8.131.52 (talk) 12:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC))
- One problem, for me, is that that the actual image of second map says "Hyboria". I thought it might be worthwhile pointing out the mistake in the text. Even with the passing of the Thurian Age, the continent of Thuria remains named as such. :) (184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC))
Hyborian Age inspired by the bible?
"Due to the Biblical settings and characterization of the Conan stories, the Bible is also seen as a major inspiration for the barbarisms and politico-cultural sociologies of the majority of the Hyborian peoples." If anyone has a source confirming this, please add it. I'm not meaning to be offensive here, but this sounds an awful lot like vandalism for religious cause. Spartan198 (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Spartan198
Okay, I just spoke with REH scholar Rusty Burke via the REH Forum and he confirms there's no source that confirms the above quote, so I'm removing it. Spartan198 (talk) 08:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC) Spartan198
Removal of Lemuria from Hyborian Age kingdoms
I think Lemuria should be removed from the list,as it sank during the cataclysm that destroyed the Thurian civilization,and is henceforth not a Hyborian Age kingdom. This was outlined by REH himself in his essay,making the presence of Lemuria and Mu on numerous maps wrong. Spartan198 (talk) 05:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC) Spartan198
Pseudo Celtic Hyborian Kingdoms?
I have removed the following from the lead:
Paradoxically, Howard had the majority of the pseudo Celtic Hyborian kingdoms immersed in Near Eastern belief systems with the sole exception of Conan, who supposedly a non-Hyborian, swearing names of Celtic deities.
Unless I've misunderstood something, none of the Hyborian kingdoms are pseudo-Celtic. Only the Cimmerians are supposed to be Celts, so there is no paradox. The Hyborians are not really the ancestors of any modern people as they are almost exterminated before modern history. They are generally equivalent to other European nations (eg. Argos=Greece) but not celts. In any case, this statement is unsourced. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It's from Irish mythology. Seek "Nemed" on Wikipedia. Kortoso (talk) 18:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)Nemedia might also be based on the legend of the Nemean Lion slain by Heracles. REH borrowed from mythology wherever he could, and that particular myth has a lot to do with Conan himself, since he was called Amra (lion). Thetrellan (talk) 21:53, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
south east europe
seems to be the only part of europe not represented. is this Howard's fault, or an oversight from the wikipedia people? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:46, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Hyborian Age page confusion rectified
I ran this by an administrator months, if not over a year, ago, and never got a reply, but the pages for the universe and the essay were titled very confusingly, so I've taken it upon myself to act and moved the world to The Hyborian Age (fictional universe) and the essay to The Hyborian Age (essay) so as to alleviate this confusion. If I was out of line doing so, I apologize, but I felt it necessary to take the initiative on this issue myself. Spartan198 (talk) 22:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I'll like to turn the attention of anyone who has edited this aricle on this topic. There's a very big mass of land in the extreme north of eastern Hyboria called Pathenia surrounded by mountains and it is not mentioned in the etymology table. I've tried done research on many sites including the Conan wiki but nothing ecept an very obiuous fact that it's shape and size matches that of Greenland. But me ain't sure because there is nothing about it's similarity to any country or geographical region provided in any story of Conan. Thanks in advance. SuperNerdMan83 (talk) 10:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
- Added Pathenia to the etymology table since no one was responding. If someone feels it shouldn't have then they can inform me and I will remove it afterwards from the table. SuperNerdMan83 (talk) 04:05, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Is Pathenia mentioned by Howard in The Hyborian Age, or shown on his map, or used in any of his original stories, or is this from a later pastiche? I believe that should be the touchstone in this regard. Kortoso (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Some claim it was mentioned in "The Road of Kings" and "The Flame Knife". The name might be based on Athens and be a contraction of "Pan Athenia", although it seems a strange name for a place deep in the heart of proto-China. But one can hardly argue with either Howard or DeCamp (authors of The Flame Knife), so it's definitely canon.Thetrellan (talk) 01:02, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
The citations for the individual nations are all over the map, so to speak. IMHO, it gives the wrong impression of the organization of this universe.
Information regarding each Hyborian land comes from several sources, and I think it would be good to display that transparently. So for each land, there can be a few different headings, and this might even be a good ordering in importance:
- Description in The Hyborian Age.
- Description in the yarns.
- Possible origin of name.
- Geographical placement on the map vis-a-vis modern Europe.
Current content needn't be removed or extensively modified; the entries can simply be sorted according to which area they are addressing.
While there is a general correlation between the nations REH modeled his world after in a general N S E W sense, there is really no geographical resemblance to Europe, most of Asia, or Asia Minor. The Hyborian age appears to be a kind of proto-Africa, India, Arabia. and south Asia. It could be that all the maps of the Hyborian age don't look at all like what REH had in mind, though. But if you can think of Aquilonia as a kind of inland Carthage, then Africa kind of makes makes sense. But not if you get too real about it, because something would be wrong climate wise. Thetrellan (talk) 22:02, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Vilayet might not relate to the Caspian
Modern interpretations of the Hyborian age model it after Africa and southern Asia, and indeed there was always a resemblance. If you look at one, you see that the Caspian is nowhere to be found, and that the Vilayet looks as it always has on all maps: Like the Red sea, one of the most recognizable features on Earth. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nouprOuzjXU/TQ-vdWA2vNI/AAAAAAAAAhI/Agf5vH_ha0w/s1600/vd_hyborian_age_full.jpg Thetrellan (talk) 22:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
About the Styx
Maps of the Hyborian age have always resembled Africa and parts of Asia, more so since video gaming came into play. Modern versions are modeled after that part of the world. If we are to use such a model, though, then the river Styx doesn't demark the future coast of the Mediterranean Sea at all. It would be a now-extinct river that bends Westward right around where the source of the White Nile river currently is located. Clearly it is based on the Nile. REH makes that much plain. Its two axes of movement represent the two source rivers of the Nile. Thetrellan (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I guess Wikipedia talk is probably not the right place to reignite the discussion of when the Hyborian Age would be set but… I have to point out that REH's essay explicitly states it ends with the coming of the glacial period. From the edition I own: “For a short age Pict and Hyrkanian snarled at each other over the ruins of the world they conquered. Then began the glacier ages, and the great Nordic drift. Before the southward-moving ice-fields the northern tribes drifted, driving kindred clans before them.” This starts the last detailed period, during which Hyrkanians are pushed to Asia and Vanir found Egypt for example, ending with the final “cataclism” that would put the Earth in the shape we know. -- Lalo Martins (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2017 (UTC)