Talk:The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson
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|Secretariat (Craig Ferguson) was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 08 June 2012 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. The original page is now a redirect to here. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.|
- 1 the late late show
- 2 Excessive information
- 3 Use of Puppets
- 4 Show elements
- 5 Show format
- 6 Delayed Episodes
- 7 Critical information
- 8 Please supply references
- 9 Logo
- 10 Suggestions
- 11 "OO LA LA!"
- 12 Nipples, harp, and pregnancy comment
- 13 Peabody award.
- 14 Post superbowl show
- 15 Spanish
- 16 Shark puppet name
- 17 Another "memorable episode"?
- 18 Ass Mode
- 19 Craig appears to throw coins into the audience before monolgue
- 20 Opening montage?
- 21 A CBS-BBC co-production?
- 22 Golden Mouth Organ list format
- 23 Lesbian Row
- 24 The CBS executive lady character (I think her name is Beth)
- 25 Some Craigy References explained
- 26 Ithaca Times interview
- 27 Ferguson's salary
- 28 Nade a pass through the article
- 29 Rewrote the listing of the 15 April 2013 show
- 30 Craig and Doctor Who
- 31 Proposed merge with Geoff Peterson
- 32 Tense needs to be changed
the late late show
does anybody have any information on the relation of this show to the late late show I think that, that it would be an excellent section for this artcle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC) There is no relation other than the name. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I removed an excessive amount of non-encyclopedic lists from this article. As a fan of the show, I know that Craig improvises a lot and adopts catchphrases and mannerisms that often last for a very short time. They make the show very entertaining in small doses, but there's no point in cataloguing them all there as most peter out before they have a notable impact on the show. Most of the info fell under WP:INFO and I encourage editors to avoid the creep of miscellaneous info into this article. White 720 (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
You make a point, but as you said, given the format of Craig's show, everything is improvised and fleeting. Due to the way he hosts the show, even the smallest thing can have a notable impact. The small quirks are what define the show, and I think that excluding them as miscellaneous information may hurt the article more than help it. Just a thought. Glal14 (talk) 00:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Use of Puppets
Having a separate section for each element seems a little excessive. But I'm also wondering if someone could add some info on other common show elements which aren't mentioned in the article: Secretariat the dancing horse, the Mickey Mouse hand wave / harmonica at the beginning of the desk segments, the Snake cup, and awkward pauses/mouth organ at the end of interviews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 06:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- The article is in danger of just being a laundry list of everything Ferguson does. Since this is meant to be an encyclopedic article of information, not a script for the show, the inclusion of anything with more than a few seconds' worth of viewing (skits, special episodes, etc.) is more deserving of being broken out and put into a section. Making sections for the various elements that are well-represented is better than having a single large paragraph, although even those should be lean with the basic elements instead of every single thing that Secretariat, Geoff, or Ferguson does.
Under the "Show format" heading, there is a list of occasionally regular guests (Dave Foley, Betty White, Tim Gunn, Jeffrey Tambor, Daniel McVicar, Kristen Bell, Henry Winkler, and Tim Meadows). Who is the bearded comedian who has now become a regular? He was on Thursday night's cold opening, pushing the swing being ridden by the first guest. Whoever knows who that bearded comedian is, please add him to the list, because he's on there a lot in uncredited roles. Thanks. --Art Smart Chart/Heart 14:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Recently (including tonight) I've noticed that several episodes have been airing later then their original time slot (in my area it starts at 12:35, but it's been delayed a few times until 1:05, 1:35 and 1:45. Anyone have any information on this? Tydamann (talk) 04:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
So. When the hell did this show start? Did someone overzealously edit out critical information, like start date? Hmmmm? According to IMDB, it was: Season 1, Episode 1, Original Air Date — 3 January 2005
From the history pages, I see the earliest versions of this article carried that information.
Vandalism? Or poor editing by deluded deletionists? Hard to tell.
I only bring this up because I found another article on Wikipedia about an actor who appeared on "The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson" in 2004 - clearly impossible. Again, was it vandalism? or just piss-poor edit control? Again, hard to tell. Vandalism vs. crappy editors -- allee same same.
You fix it. I'm tired of putting in fixes only to have supercilious pompous admin butt-puppets later "fix" things by screwing them up. No disrespect. Have a nice day. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Please supply references
- I just did a pass through the article and improved the use of references by more than a little bit. Those of you who contribute to articles like this apparently based on their personal viewing habits should consider googling first for any detail they want to add. If a TV critic, or significant TV website hasn't found what you want to write about noteworthy enough to write about, there's a good chance the detail you want to add fails WP:N. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 11:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC).
- Trying to add at least a token reference to some of the issues that have been added as of late, but if someone can find something better, please add.--Hourick (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- I see that after I added references, including to the Bob Barker portion, someone removed them saying that YouTube was not a valid source. Then, someone put back the lack of references tag. In that we are dealing with the ephemeral of a television show, which way do you want it? Busjack (talk) 19:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- For a TV show, episodes definitely count as sources. Arawn 14:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arawn V (talk • contribs)
- Done  -sesuPRIME 08:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- I resurrected the old logo since it made sense to include it in the article's section on the show's history. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 11:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC).
- I agree. Once the new logo is appropriated, then the old logo should be put elsewhere in the article.--Hourick (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article detail:
- Ferguson winning the job after the tryout period of guest hosts?
- His first show after the Worldwide Pants settled with the WGA having no guests?
- Wavy has a last name, Ranchero -- 12/15/09?
"OO LA LA!"
Since the start of the new year, after announcing that Craig's "New Year's Resolution" was to learn to speak Spanish, the show has stopped using "OO LA LA!" to bleep curse words, but using "¡Ay, caramba!", this should probably be mentioned, if you can find some sources. Parad0x130 (talk) 23:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Nipples, harp, and pregnancy comment
There have been several editors (although I suspect one more than others) who have been trying repeatedly to get this joke Craig made in an interview as proof that the information on Wiki about him is erroneous as an integral part of the article. The main reason to leave out this information is that it is a joke in reference to Wiki, not anything to do with the LLS itself, and it would seem to me that it would be in our interests to prove him wrong by doing our best to keep all references to him and the show as factual as we can. LovelyLillith (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I have a question about this, was the Peabody award to Ferguson or his show and is there a difference? A mention of it was made on Craig Ferguson's page and was wondering if it was appropriate. --Hourick (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
- The award was specifically for the episode-long interview with Archbishop Tutu. I don't think there is a person vs. show distinction, as the Peabody Awards themselves are not categorized. Tarc (talk) 21:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Post superbowl show
Didn't Ferguson do a special episode of the LLS after the Super Bowl on location in Miami in 2006 or 2007? I remember seeing this, but it's not mentioned anywhere in the article. RF23 (talk) 19:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article (toward the end of the section titled "Show Format"):
"¿Qué aprendimos en el (sic) programa, Señor Craig?"
The (sic) is unnecessary; in Spanish, "programa" is masculine (even though it ends with an 'a'), so "el" is the correct choice.
Shark puppet name
I believe that the shark's name is Bruce, not Brian. Can anyone confirm this?OlOneTooth (talk) 06:02, 18 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by OlOneTooth (talk • contribs) 05:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Another "memorable episode"?
On Feb 2, 2011, Craig hosted author and professor Cornell West for an examination of the meaning of "Black History Month", in perspective of an ex-Scotsman. Not sure what the threshold might be for inclusion of references to this show and some of its bizarre banter (the shame of 15 years alcoholic, an orgasm machine, Jim and Jane Crow, the meaning of being human...) Lupinelawyer (talk) 07:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Implication from the Wiki forward from "ass mode" is that Craig has invented this term. Is this correct? Wasn't this a somewhat common term on BBS/chat/EMail from slashdot, etc.? <ass mode>Jerky commets enclosed in fake tags seems somewhat cliche, which is why Craig would think this is funny, isn't it?</ass mode> Lyle (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
No joke, when I saw this, I burst out laughing. XD Craig has never officially stated where it came from, he even said he didn't remember where it came from, but he does say it's a way of life. That was also his answer to a question on a email sent to him on an episode, and when a celebratory guest came by. Click...If you dare! o,0` (talk) 04:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Craig appears to throw coins into the audience before monolgue
After the cold open, theme song and first commercial break, Craig comes onstage through the doorway, waving to the audience. The camera is from the rear section of the audience and he can be seen going to what appears to be a tray before the center section of seats, grabbing 2 handfuls of coins or tokens and tossing them into the audience. Is this recent or has he always done this? Any significance to this action?
I have since determined from comments made on the show that this is candy - likely foil wrapped chocolate coins. Still unsure how recently this started or it's significance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CWR63 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
A CBS-BBC co-production?
I noticed that the country of origin of the show is listed as both a US & UK co-production and I was wondering if someone could provide a link which states information about which UK company is involved in co-producing and/or co-funding The Late Late Show otherwise the show.
If not then it should be listed as a US production.
Golden Mouth Organ list format
Can we keep it in "block" form please? While the entire section is in bullet form, I took great pains to condense and combine as much as I could and the best I could. While a bullet list of The Golden Mouth Organ winners is easier to read, listing them out at the end of the "Mouth Organ" section looks a bit better, it takes up less space, and it's more encyclopedic. With all due respect, BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 06:55, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
- The "block" format is difficult to read for the average wikipedian, and the "list" format is a tad on the unencyclopedic side, so I'm hopeful we can compromise on a table for the winners, like this one. Trut-h-urts man (talk) 00:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
"Winners of the Golden Mouth Organ"
|Billy Connolly||December 17, 2010|
|David Pogue||February 3, 2011|
|Jennifer Ouellette||February 11, 2011|
|Hugh Laurie||March 2, 2011|
|Neil Patrick Harris||March 3, 2011|
|Larry Scotsman Johnson (Audience member)||March 31, 2011|
|Kevin Bacon||June 10, 2011|
|Zooey Deschanel||July 14, 2011|
|Jim Cummings||July 14, 2011|
|John Goodman||July 22, 2011|
|Jayma Mays||July 22, 2011|
|William H. Macy||July 26, 2011|
|Ewan McGregor||November 15, 2011|
|Wilford Brimley||November 23, 2011|
|Eric Idle||February 27, 2012|
|Dr. Mehmet Oz||February 28, 2012|
|Phil Plait||February 29, 2012|
|Steven Tyler||May 9, 2012|
|Andy Garcia||June 13, 2012|
Well, you know how they always show the audience on late night shows, Craig just figured that along with both he and Geoff being sleazy, they should have a bunch of good looking ladies in the front for the camera. I have no idea whether to put my username or not 7:27 8 March 2014
The CBS executive lady character (I think her name is Beth)
Seems like they might be sticking with this woman (the brunette in the glasses that seems to hate Craig and the show's content) as a permanent character on the show... Should this go on the main page? Excellence Of Execution (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
According to the credits of the episode aired on 9/28 (Guests: Michael C. Hall/Martha Plimpton), Beth is played by Dana DeLorenzo (the same woman who voices the rhino head). This has been added to the main page, but can be moved somewhere more suitable if necessary. Excellence Of Execution (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Some Craigy References explained
Adding a section here (in Talk only) for asking what things mean. I'll kick it off with two references that I never get.
- Why does he always say "Whats a cummanago?" when he wants to Italianize something.
- Why does he talk about putting lotion in a basket? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 10:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Ithaca Times interview
has some details that could be included in the article (or used as a source for existing details that lack sources):
- he had just moved his CBS show onto a new soundstage, and was trying out some new characters, including a sarcastic TV exec (Dana DeLorenzo) that also happens to play the voice of a rhino named Sharon.
- Yeah, it’s not that much bigger than the old stage, but there’s much more room on the floor. We had 110 seats in the old studio, and I think 170 here.
Here's a potential quote from Ferguson:
- "For me, that’s the key to this game, is to do the show that you wanna do, and to entertain yourself, as much as possible. I mean, you gotta realize there’s an audience there and you gotta help them (laughs). But the thing is, if I’m interested in what I’m doin’, the audience will be interested, and so I try and stay with stuff that inspires my imagination as much as possible. You can’t do it every single night of every single show, but for the most part, that’s what happens here: I do whatever I want."
- Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed, but the extensions likely mean raises for both Letterman,...and Ferguson, who is said to be making in the neighborhood of $13 million.
Nade a pass through the article
I just completed a pass through the whole article, cutting back on trivia and unreferenced details. Perhaps if editors notice that non-notable and unreferenced details get removed, a greater emphasis on citing sources will result. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Rewrote the listing of the 15 April 2013 show
I rewrote the listing for the April 15 2013 show in the "Notable episodes" section since it just a slight modification of the July 20 2012 listing and a bit inaccurate. So, I rewatched the opening, summarized it the best I could, and added general info about the episode itself (the omission of usual segments, the absence of Geoff and Secretariat, etc). If someone feels the need to go in and make it more encyclopedic, feel free, but I feel like the following is important to keep: The general information about the open, the omission of the title sequence and first two segments (with the show going straight into the interview following the first break), and the absence of Geoff and Secretariat. With all due respect, BrianGriffin-FG (talk) 07:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Craig and Doctor Who
Should there not be a section on Craig's relationship with Doctor Who? After all, many of the cast have guested on his show, he keeps a TARDIS on his desk, and he used to be in a band with Peter Capaldi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Geoff Peterson
Individual bits and characters like this shouldn't get their own Wikipedia article, instead it should be included as part of the main article, in this case The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 22:09, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Why? Article could certainly use some attention, but it appears to have a good range of citations to reliable sources, it looks well rounded in content. You give no actual rationale for the merger other than, to paraphrase, "I don't think this should exist". — Huntster (t @ c) 23:23, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- The article is well sourced and well written. No policy is cited, the reason stated is WP:DONTLIKE. Unless a legitamte reason is made why it should be merged soon, I'm going to remove the merge proposal. JDDJS (talk) 04:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Tense needs to be changed
Craig has done his last Late Late show, so the tense of the article needs to be changed. I think it should be done in one edit, as to now have conflicting tenses. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:55, 21 December 2014 (UTC)