Talk:Tom Liesegang

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Apriltools (talk · contribs) has been paid by New Art Brut, Inc on behalf of Tom Liesegang. Their editing has included contributions to this article.

Group of answered edit requests Apriltools (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 1

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

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Present Efforts (2011-Present)

Since 2011, Liesegang's work is influenced by direct observation of nature. Against a contemporary backdrop of mass consumerism and an over reliance on technology. Semi abstracted water reflections and layered glass-like surfaces characterize this recent work.

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Quaboag Series SERIES (2013 - 2016)

Named after a lake in central Massachusetts and inspired by direct observation of nature, Liesegang completed a series of paintings, pastels, and watercolors. Semi abstracted water reflections often observed at dusk led to the creation of layered glass like surfaces.

Reason for the change: updating bio and typo in existing prose
References supporting change:

Apriltools (talk) 00:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined: no source for the requested content. Cannot add per WP:V and WP:BLP (t · c) buidhe 02:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 2

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Some or all of the changes may be promotional in tone.

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Liesegang is the co-founder of New Art Brut, Inc., a not for profit platform for artists whose work confronts social injustice.

Reason for the change: Additional info
References supporting change: ^[1]

Apriltools (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC) Apriltools (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: A majority of the requested changes are currently written in a promotional tone. Please review WP:Neutral point of view and ensure you follow this before submitting any edit requests. Shadow311 (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "New Art Brut, Inc" (Document). New York: New York, Department of State Division of Corporations. 2019-07-11.

Edit request 4

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Specific text to be added or removed: ADD IMAGES to multiple image TEMPLATE in Themes and Series section

Markup: nowiki markup below should just copy paste

| image7 =Nab_logo.jpg | alt7 = ''Logo for New Art Brut, Inc.'' by Tom Liesegang | caption7 =<small>''''Logo for New Art Brut, Inc.''''</small> | image8 =Pupazzetti.jpg | alt8 = ''Pupazzetti.jpg'' by Tom Liesegang | caption8 =<small>''''Pupazzetti Series''''</small>

Reason for the change: Update visual representation of newer endeavors and collections

References supporting change: Tom Liesegang on Wikimedia Commons

Apriltools (talk) 14:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Apriltools:

Done STEMinfo (talk) 08:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 5

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

Specific text to be added or removed: ADD URL to External Links

Markup: nowiki markup below should just copy / paste * [https://www.newartbrut.com/ New Art Brut]

Reason for the change: Related not for profit endeavor
References supporting change: 86 LOGIC | Issue 9 | page 50 -- Citation provided in Edit request 3.

Thank You! Apriltools (talk) 15:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link. It's unclear what's being linked. Please avoid spam. STEMinfo (talk) 01:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@STEMinfo: My apologies, the website was working when I made request, I've notified client that it is down. Whois says that the domain is paid through 2028-05-23. Must be a problems with Wix. Thanks for looking at my request. Apriltools (talk) 22:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Apriltools: the site seems to be back up, but after looking at the site, including the link is problematic. Its purpose seems to be to promote the art and web site, but without media coverage of the site indicating notability, Wikipedia consensus to avoid promotionalism suggests not adding the link. If the web site was notable enough to be covered in the press, we could reconsider. STEMinfo (talk) 20:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@STEMinfo: There is supporting press coverage here 86 Logic, Issue 9, page 50, for both the registered non-profit status and the website are mentioned. According to a search from New York, Department of State Division of Corporations New Art Brut was incorporated in 2019 and is in active standing. My understanding is that these facts (within an existing article) go to "claims" rather than "notability", am I wrong? It would be nice to have a short description of what New Art Brut is somewhere in the article (~~Edit request 2~~ Liesegang is the co-founder of New Art Brut, Inc., a not for profit platform for artists whose work confronts social injustice.), in addition to an external link. My understanding is that Wikipedia links are nofollow, so no promotion (only discovery for interested parties) is intended for this five year old entity. Thanks for your response, Apriltools (talk) 22:15, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Apriltools: The article you linked is a copy of a PDF uploaded to producers.wiki. We'd need a link to the original article for it to be considered a reliable source. Even so, with just a brief mention of New Art Brut in an interview with Liesegang, there's no indication that the group meets Wikipedia's standards of notability. The issue isn't proving that the group exists. We still need to demonstrate that the entity is notable enough to mention in the article. We need better sourcing for that. If the group gets any coverage in the press, please ping me. STEMinfo (talk) 07:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@STEMinfo: Thank you for adding the images. The original article is behind a paywall <here>, which is why I have the PDF up on producers.wiki. There is no url. Liesegang's art is on the cover of Issue 9, I will take my PDF down when we are done here. When you say "standards of notability" do you mean WP:N???? Thanks again Apriltools (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Apriltools: The notability standards usually focus on subjects of articles, but in this case we're looking at whether the item itself is notable. There needs to be some independent coverage. A paywalled source is OK as long as someone can verify it. STEMinfo (talk) 20:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 3

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

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Liesegang finds inspiration in rudimentary markings like these, from sidewalk drawings to scratches on benches or trees. In them he sees a human desire to be acknowledged, to leave a permanent trace on earthly surfaces. In his most recent work, canvases are constructed as an illusion of stone or concrete, and then transformed into palimpsests: language has been effaced, written over, but not fully erased.
— Kate Meadows, "Scratching The Surface Making A Mark", 86 Logic, Issue 9 (Spring 2023), pp.42-50,

Reason for the change: New review and interview
References supporting change: ^[1]

The reference (86 Logic Issue 9) is behind a paywall. A temporary copy of the article is here: 86 Logic, ISSUE 9, page 43

Thank You!

Apriltools (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC), Apriltools (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC), Apriltools (talk) 22:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@STEMinfo: Since you are familiar with the paywall situation here, can you have a look at this request. I have a pdf copy of the entire magazine if you need to see it. Thank you! Apriltools (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS here is another mention of New Art Brut Apriltools (talk) 19:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done STEMinfo (talk) 19:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I had to rewrite the request to match the existing referencing format. If you have other items to add, please make sure your request style matches the existing style. STEMinfo (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Meadows, Kate (2023). "Scratching The Surface, Making A Mark - a conversation with Tom Liesegang". 86 Logic. No. 9. New York, New York: 86 Logic. ISSN 2769-8149. Retrieved 2024-01-11.

[NewArtBruteCorp-1] "New Art Brut, Inc" (Document). New York: New York, Department of State Division of Corporations. 2019-07-11.

[86Logic2023-2] Meadows, Kate (2023). "Scratching The Surface, Making A Mark - a conversation with Tom Liesegang". 86 Logic. No. 9. New York, New York: 86 Logic. ISSN 2769-8149. Retrieved 2024-01-11.

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