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The sources for ladder tournament don't say that it is an alternative to a tournament. They say that it is a type of tournament. In particular, they call it, alongside the pyramid tournament (which we don't even have, yet) a form of extended tournament. This unsourced article appears to be not in accord with how people who have written about them actually define tournaments. Uncle G (talk) 10:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Many words have multiple definitions, or a single vague definition. It is not necessary for an article with the title "Foo" to include everything that anybody has ever called a "foo". jnestorius(talk) 13:34, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
People who write about tournaments abstractly are certain to refine the terminology. Those who generalize over many sports probably should refine it too. Meanwhile people who organize competitions are certain to call some of their works "tournaments" inconsistently across sports and across organizations within a sport. People who write about specific tournaments probably should follow the official usage of organizers or unofficial usage of fans.
The same is true of game(s): Are the Olympic Games games? What are the Penn Relays? The 117-year old athletics meet includes relay footraces, greater in number and greater in prestige than is usual for a meet. It now calls itself a carnival (Penn Relays Carnival).
The article explicitly distinguishes two types.
There is another sense of tournament, a convention, conference, carnival, festival, meet, meeting, etc,
—Which of those terms should wikipedia use as ordinary nouns in this sense?
comprising multiple competitive fields (multiple competitions, I would say). Consider "Wimbledon". It is a single tournament in this sense, comprising multiple tournaments in the second sense of the article, which are multiple in multiple respects: juniors and women, singles and doubles. Consider also gymnastics at the Olympic Games. The Olympic gymnastics meet(?) includes competition among men and among women; among teams and among individuals; in single disciplines and overall —as if Wimbledon would introduce a plate for the best performance in singles, doubles, and mixed doubles combined by a point system.
The American Contract Bridge League does use "Tournament" for meets, conventions, etc, that comprise multiple bridge competitions, especially so-called Regional and Sectional Tournaments ("Bridge Tournaments" at ACBL). --P64 (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- On the latter, so does Wimbledon, and the wikipedia entry is titled to make the point: The Championships, Wimbledon. At Wimbledon, and sometimes at the bridge table (40th and 41st "World Teams Championships" in World Bridge Federation "Headlines"), the plural "Championships" conveys the multiplicity. This article misses the point by calling Wimbledon "the Wimbledon tennis championship", singular. Or more generously, this article obscures the point by lumping together in a single line the purported first type of tournament: "One or more competitions held at a single venue and concentrated into a relatively short time interval." We need a good way to say essentially this:
- --P64 (talk) 16:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
mathematics of tournaments
There is actually a precise mathematical definition of tournament that I think would do the article wonders - perhaps to be included in the history. Also, can we mention tournaments from a game theory perspective? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Definition of the term
The first sentence of the article says "A tournament is a competition involving 4 or more teams, or a large number of competitors, all participating in a sport or game." Firstly, I don't like the word teams in here, as it is not general enough - individuals can participate in tournaments as well. Secondly, who says there needs to be at least 4 participants? Was Triwizard Tournament not a tournament? (Meaning of course the years were there were actually just three wizards competing). I would say the minimum number of participants is 3, would you guys agree? Agil CZ (talk) 12:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- The Triwizard Tournament, in case you're unaware, is fiction. And it having only 3 participants (under normal circumstances) isn't what makes it not a tournament. O.N.R. (talk) 20:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)