Talk:Tréveneuc law

"Content" section

The section currently called "Content" is pretty poorly done in the French article, and the version here reflects that. I would suggest keeping the references, and scrapping all of the text in that section, and rewriting it entirely. Also, "Content" is not a good name for it, and it should be called something else; maybe "Description", or whatever term is used in other articles about laws that talk about the content of the law.

One approach for a rewrite, might be to take the third paragraph of the current lead and move it to the "Description" section (or whatever it will be called), and use the existing citations to reference it. Mathglot (talk) 00:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Has it been invoked?

One thing I'm not clear on, is the question of whether the law has ever been invoked? There has certainly been discussion of it, as mentioned in § Attempted uses, and there's a claim there that de Gaulle used it for FF, but I don't see other sources supporting that. A definitive statement about whether it has ever been carried out is needed, along with sourcing. Timeousbeastie, have you seen anything definitive about this in your research? Mathglot (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Mathglot - apologies, I missed out an important word here - in the French article, which matches the source, it is said that the law was invoked to justify their creation. I have amended this and removed your note. Timeousbeastie (talk) 10:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Kept your reference, but restored the {{dubious}} tag, because I'm not convinced yet. French Wikipedia is not a reliable source and cannot be used to support anything. If you have access to that source, can you please add a quotation below from the part of page 200 that you believe supports that fact? Afaict, it never happened, unless a source can back it up, and I haven't found one yet. And if it happened, then there would be other sources that would back it up also; if that's the only book that says that (and I haven't seen that it does) then it might be an outlier. Mathglot (talk) 01:21, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Now I'm noticing that the § Algeria section may be about the same thing, so maybe they should be merged. Mathglot (talk) 03:33, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

So, I expanded that citation, including authors, name of the chapter that includes p. 200, the original title from its first publication in 1996, and a partial quotation, which is this:

elle est invoqué à partir de 1943 pour rétablir la légalité républicaine.

It's clear from context, that "elle" refers to the Tréveneuc law, so, so far so good. The problem arises with invoqué, which is the past participle of invoquer, which can have multiple meanings. One, of course, is the cognate meaning of "to invoke", in the sense of "used", "employed", "activated"; however, another meaning is "cited", in the sense of "alluded to", "mentioned", "referred to".

In the section title question above where I asked, "Has it ever been invoked?", what I meant was, "activated", in the sense have the departments around the country met and elected their two delegates to join the Council of Delegates? I think the answer to that is "no, that has never happened", and so in that sense, I believe that the law has never been invoked-applied. But has it been "invoked-referred-to", yes, at least three times, maybe more, as shown in the section § Attempted uses.

Do you know if the there has ever been an invocation-application of the law, resulting in the convocation of the Council of Delegates? This is a key question to answer, and if it has happened, it needs to feature prominently in the article. It's important to resolve this. Mathglot (talk) 07:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)