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Looks like someone has mistaken this disambiguation(?) page for an opportunity to advertise their product? Not sure exactly what needs to be done here. Does anyone understand what the major Trac discussed here actually is? Jcsutton 00:50, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
For the information of anyone who (as I did) reads the above comment and gets confused, that comment appears to have referred to some weird stealth spam that was here earlier. See the VFD link above and/or the page history before Jcsutton's 3 Jan 2005 edit. Graue 02:05, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The article has no reference listed for the comment about Trac being used at Nasa. Anyone have a link to back up the statement? Jeremyh 02:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I emailed the Trac people about using their logo (http://www.edgewall.org/gfx/trac_logo.png) in the article, but the file upload page and all of this mention of the GFDL scared me away. Can someone with more experience in this area tell me what to do? --Mdkess 14:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
interface to version control systems?
Trac interfaces with SVN only - there are [experimental] plugins for Git/Mercurial/Bazaar, but they do not come with Trac, so the statement is wrong? --184.108.40.206 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
User:Renfeng recently added a self-created tutorial to the extlinks section and reverted its removal. This isn't an appropriate link for a number of reasons; it should go again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Well, instead of just saying "a number of reasons," how about listing them, with reference to guidelines? Consider "self-promotion" moot, because I'm willing to add the link, absent objection. --Abd (talk) 13:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
IP 220.127.116.11 has edited several times the page to add a reference to the Android mobile market application implementing Trac. The link (market://details?id=com.prrm.tracker) is not available to users not using an Android system. Maybe this address should be temporarily blocked?
#!/bin/DokReggar -talk 12:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
"Trac is reported to have more than 450 installations worldwide"
is a bit confusing, since it gives the impression that Trac is being reported to have been installed on 450 boxes worldwide, which is not the case. Surely there are more, probably thousands or tens of thousands of installations being used but just not listed on that page. Something along the following lines would better serve the reader:
"The Trac website lists over 450 users of the software, and <a note of how many more installations probably exist>."
If speculation on the popularity is not encyclopediaic, some download count figures could be thrown in?
Removed notibility tag
Trac is a significan Open Source project with wide spread deployment. It is used in the DevOps and Continuous Integration communities to tie bug reports and wiki updates with git commits. Robert.Harker (talk) 07:20, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Robert.Harker: I agree that there's really no notability concern with Trac. But it's always preferable to add sufficient independent reliable sources to the article to establish notability, as required by WP:GNG. -- intgr [talk] 07:50, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Enough references to significant sites that use Trac for you? Personally, my list feels like a marketing plug, but I know it is not since I have no relationship with the Trac project other than having used it in the past.
- @Robert.Harker: No, "significant sites that use Trac" doesn't satisfy notability. See WP:GNG for the full criteria; published independent sources that have significant coverage about Trac are required. -- intgr [talk] 17:04, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- Did you even bother to read WP:N? That companies or projects claim to use the software (or used it at some point in time) does not make the software notable, that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, is what causes the presumption that the subject is suitable. References go after punctuation. A list in prose usually ends with a conjunction and sentences usually end in periods. All fixed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
What have you against Trac?
I give up. 4 separate published articles listing Trac as a top 4-15 issue tracking tool. Two of them notiable sources in the Open Source / software comminity, Java World and opensource.org. I give up, you win.Robert.Harker (talk) 05:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
- What makes you think I have anything against Trac? I am simply applying Wikipedia's editing standards to this article.
- I'm sorry that you give u.. oh, you nearly had me. You didn't actually give up. Where I am it's still not April 1, but the UTC timestamp makes it clear it's April 1 somewhere. Good one.
- Go read WP:N and then explain why Trac deserves a pass on that notability guideline. The guideline does not state that the number of companies using a product make it notable. At least if it does, I missed it. The template should be removed after references are added that show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of Trac. If I didn't revert, another editor could. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Shocked by the lack of notability template
I'm shocked by the "lack of notability" template placed at the top of the article.
There is a Managing Software Development with Trac and Subversion book dedicated to Trac and Subversion, there are some other books about version control that mention Trac. Trac is included in these three top project management tool lists: A, B, C published all by notable, popular websites.
Although it is an essay and informal, Wikipedia:Notability (software) may be read to have a specific view on softwares' notability. WP:N's good but not specific at all, thus might not have too much help.
Trac is the tracking tool, the bug reporting system that backs the development of WordPress, and WordPress is used by more than 60 million websites, including more than 26.4% of the top 10 million websites on Internet. Thus, it might be sensationalist but, Trac may be kind of a guarantee or a base that ensures the functioning of almost a quarter of all websites on Internet.
I've read the threads #Removed notibility tag above, there's a guy kind of like a computer science/programming language specialist/professional, or at least, who cares a lot about these stuff according to his user page; and there's a guy who might not have too much interests on the programming stuff, but might have some interests on deleting the article and adding "lack of notability" template, his "persistance" drew that pro guy back, made him give up. It is bad. I think nowadays Wikipedia's articles may need more points of view from pros, and if editors that are not interested in a field keep drawing back the pros of the field, it is simply bad.