Talk:Traditional chiefs of Palau

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RfC about the capitalisation of Palauan chief titles

Should Palauan chief titles be capitalised when not used before a person's name? Sahaib (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sahaib: I cannot find any prior discussion on this. Nor is there any indication that WP:RFCBEFORE has been exhausted; so why have you gone straight to a full-blown thirty-day formal RfC for what appears to be a small matter? --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 12:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: this is my first RfC and I checked MOS:CAPS and could not find anything. This is not a small matter I have created several articles about Palauan chiefs such as Yutaka Gibbons, Ibedul succession dispute and this article, I have changed the capitalisation of the titles in the articles back and forth which is time consuming. The main newspaper in Palau Island Times, Palauan dictionaries (see the wiktionary article Ibedul) and French Wikipedia (see Ibedul [fr]) capitalise them in certain ways, so this topic is quite complex and it would be good to reach a consensus with more than one or two editors one way or the other. Sahaib (talk) 12:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:HON. You could have asked for help at WP:TEAHOUSE, or at WT:ROYALTY, or asked for clarification at WT:MOSCAPS. But even if all those failed, you should certainly have started a discussion here, waited for other people to comment and also reach deadlock before reaching for WP:RFC. Small matter or not, RfC is a process of last resort, used when all other methods of settling a dispute have failed. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 13:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: MOS:HON was not helpful as this RFC is not about its use as a honorific or style of nobility e.g. Ibedul Yutaka Gibbons, it is about its use as a noun such as Yutaka Gibbons was the ibedul/Ibedul of Koror. Sahaib (talk) 13:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is still not an RfC matter. Please don't abuse process. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 13:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I have moved this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Should Palauan chief titles be capitalised when not used before a person's name?. Sahaib (talk) 14:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this MoS which regulates this matter. Offices, titles & positions are capitalized only when followed by a person's name to form a title per MOS:JOBTITLES. So for example in the article shall be, e.g.:

In December 2023, Ibedul (or Chief) Alexander Merep officiated a new museum in Palau.
In January 2024, president of Mongolia met with ibedul (or chief) of Palau in Ulaanbaatar.

Chongkian (talk) 03:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]