Talk:Trinidad euphonia

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

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A male Trinidad euphonia

• ... that the Trinidad euphonia lacks the muscular gizzard that most birds have as part of their digestive system...? Forbes, W. A. (2 March 1880). "Contributions to the Anatomy of Passerine Birds. Part I. On the Structure of the Stomach in Certain Genera of Tanagers". Proceedings of The Zoological Society of London: 143–147.
  • ALT1:... that the Trinidad euphonia is rare on the island of Trinidad due to overtrapping for the caged bird trade...? Murphy, William L. (2004). A Birdwatchers' Guide to Trinidad & Tobago. Cley, UK: Prion. p. 118. ISBN 1-871104-11-4.

• Reviewed: Robert C. Pringle (tug)

5x expanded by MeegsC (talk). Self-nominated at 17:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC).

• Size and date check out; well referenced to reliable sources; hook facts are cited and checked; spot and Earwig checks indicate CPR/copyvio not a concern; have taken the liberty of adding a suggested image which is on Commons and appropriately licensed. Believe this is good to go, nice work. Would suggest the "basic" hook over ALT1 as more interesting. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Trinidad euphonia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Starsandwhales (talk · contribs) 01:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for the next few days/weeks! I might not to reply that promptly but I'll try to answer any questions after a day or two. starsandwhales (talk) 01:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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• "It is sometimes considered to be a superspecies with the scrub, yellow-crowned and purple-throated euphonias." --> for more information, could you way 'why' it is considered to be a superspecies with these others?

• Is my explanation sufficient, or does it need more info? MeegsC (talk) 15:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

• I also found a 2020 genetic study that further clarifies this relationship. MeegsC (talk) 15:55, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

8This is really good! Very understandable to someone who doesn't know what these mean! :D starsandwhales (talk) 00:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

• "It is largely allopatric with latter species, though it does overlap in a narrow zone in eastern Venezuela." --> since this just seems to be a wiktionary link, also including the definition of allopatric in the sentence would make it clearer

• I've reworded this to say "Its range is largely distinct (allopatric) from that of the latter species, overlapping only in a narrow zone in eastern Venezuela." Does that work, or do I need to change it further? MeegsC (talk) 13:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

• Personally I'd do a slight rewording to "Its range is largely distinct, or allopatric, from that of the latter species, overlapping only in a narrow zone in eastern Venezuela." but that's not really necessary.

• "Females are virtually indistinguishable from female purple-throated euphonias (which have a slight grayish tinge to the upperparts) and both they and immature birds are probably not separable in the field." --> probably according to whom? "probably" isn't a very encyclopedia-y word if you know what I mean

• I've changed the wording to "not thought to be separable in the field". The reference at the end of the sentence says "probably", but I've made it more "encyclopedia-y". ;) MeegsC (talk) 20:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

• Distribution and habitat section is good
• Could you find an image of the eggs?

• Unfortunately, I haven't been able to source a photo or drawing of the eggs. MeegsC (talk) 20:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

• AGF for book sources, the other sources look good
• Though it isn't necessary, alt text for images would help with accessibility.

• Done.

• "It has a circular entrance in the side and is lined with finer material." --> what's an example of finer material?

• The sources say only "finer materials". Given that they also says the nest is composed of grass and stems, I assume it is finer bits of those materials. MeegsC (talk) 13:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

• Do juveniles have any variation in diet compared to the adults?

• None of the sources indicate anything about juvenile diet. MeegsC (talk) 20:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

• What are the time frames when these birds mature?

• I've added the generation length. I can find nothing about when breeding first occurs. I assume it's the summer following the bird's hatching (i.e. when more than 1 year old), but it would be OR to say so. MeegsC (talk) 14:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

• Conservation status looks good

• Starsandwhales, I think I've addressed all of your concerns. MeegsC (talk) 15:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Everything looks good! I'm going to look at everything again tomorrow, but you should be alright. starsandwhales (talk) 00:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Congrats on the new GA! starsandwhales (talk) 20:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC)