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Western exonym

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@Yue "Western exonym" is a very strong claim for a political topic like this, especially for lead section. Lesser claims like "name" and "historical name" are fine.

Could you provide another source other than Andrew D. W. Forbes? Forbes doesn't even have a Wikipedia page, while he's making a claim on someone else who is more notable with a Wikipedia page.

A more NPOV way of state this would be:

  • Use "historical name" instead of "Western exonym" in the lead
  • say 'Australian [insert occupation] Andrew Forbes claim "Tunganistan" was coined by the Austrian Mongolist Walther Heissig.'

--Voidvector (talk) 02:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Voidvector: I will implement your suggestion and then leave it as is until I add additional sources. Yue🌙 03:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Voidvector: Additional sources:
Perhaps the claim that "Tunganistan" was coined by Heissig needs an additional layer of digging, but the scholarly consensus among experts on the topic is that it was and is an (Western?) exonym.
It's also worth pointing out that the terms Tungan/ Tungani / Dungan are themselves Western exonyms for Hui Muslims, who use the endonyms 回族,老回回,中原人.
The version of the article before my edits completely contradicts the sources cited. The claims made by previous editors of an independent "Tunganistan" state are, like the name itself, an invention by outsiders. Even a cursory glance of the available literature would lead to this understanding. Yue🌙 04:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yue: Great research, I think that is sufficient citations for the claim to be used in heading and short description. I did find Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition myself claiming the same thing. Of course, we can't cite an encyclopedia. So the claim of exonym seems well accepted in academia. I would add most of those as cites with quotes so it is uncontroversial to future editors.
Arguing "Dungan" is exonym is even more complicated, because while it is exonym in the Dungan language, but a lot of Dungans now do not speak the Dungan language anymore (you can watch Youtube videos to see this), so they will be referring to themselves as "Dungan" in Russian. But that's a separate topic. --Voidvector (talk) 04:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Voidvector: Fair point about the Dungan people. Yue🌙 04:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]