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United Nations Honour Flag was nominated as a History good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (March 23, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

A fact from United Nations Honour Flag appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 July 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the United Nations Honour Flag was designed as a symbol of the Allies of World War II at the suggestion of Winston Churchill?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/July.

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Incomplete reference

My university library's copy of the World Flag Encyclopedia: All World and Regional Flags Featuring Honor Flag Development 1942-1947 has pages missing, so I had to piece together what info I could from the pages that are there. It seems that Brooks Harding published the book to try to keep the flag in use, but the decline only accelerated, and nowadays at the U.N. the flag is "memetically discouraged" (as the library computers in David Brin's Uplift universe would say)... AnonMoos (talk) 02:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:United Nations Honour Flag/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 01:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a long way from meeting the criteria on breadth, prose quality, and sourcing.

You cite the World Flag Encyclopedia by Brooks Harding, but say it's by the author of the specific article by Marguerite Sitgreaves (totally fair mistake.) But this is not sourced to the encyclopedia, it is sourced to a Flags of the World (a web forum) post where someone posts a sample from this book. Someone quoting a book on a user-generated forum does not equal a citation for the book. You use this for the vast majority of the sourcing on the article. The Washington Post article is the only reliable source used, and you use it to cite the fact that Brooks Harding was an American.
You mention the online Dictionary of Vexillology in prose like this is a reliable source, but again, this is a user generated web forum!
It's often called the Four Freedoms Flag. What are the Four Freedoms? This article doesn't say, or link for that matter; but they're the core design element of the flag!
No mention of the later United Nations flag that replaced this, or of precursors or other art during World War II using the Four Freedoms motif, or of the iconography used to represent the Allies in general.
You don't repeat the names you list in the lede in the body of the text, but give alternate, bolded names near the end of the article.
"the red bars were substituted with gold, while some nations preferred green and blue bars" Which countries, and why?
Use the "circa" template when using c. to abbreviate "circa".

All in all, just a shame. This is a very interesting subject matter, but this article would have to be completely rewritten with better sourcing to give a reliable overview of the subject. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I don't really care whether this article is elevated to "good" status or not, but it most definitely DOES link to Four Freedoms: "who was inspired by Franklin D. Roosevelt's Four Freedoms speech of January 1941)"... -- AnonMoos (talk) 11:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it definitely does mention the later United Nations flag: "However, it was never an official flag of the United Nations as an organization (which was founded in 1945, and adopted a different flag of the United Nations in 1946)". This "review" seems to be of rather poor quality! AnonMoos (talk) 11:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main Four Freedoms artwork was Norman Rockwell's famous series of illustrations, but they didn't appear until the United Nations Honour Flag had already been designed, and I don't know what relationship there could be be between the flag and the illustrations, other than both being inspired by Roosevelt's speech... AnonMoos (talk) 11:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]