Talk:Universitas 21

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Hong Kong[edit]

I list the University of Hong Kong separately because Hong Kong is an autonomous entity and has its own administration of education. Another reason is to follow the official list at Universitas 21's website. — Insta ntnood 08:23, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Firstly, as already mentioned, we dont have to neccesarily follow the presentation formats in third party sites when we know it is factually inaccurate/misleading. Secondly, it is secondary whether HK is "autonomous" or not, or whether it takes care of its own educational systems. This is a listing of universities by country, and HK is not one.--Huaiwei 10:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we'll be ending up with the same arguments again. :-| You're always sticking to your definition of "country". And by the way we're writing about that organisation, how would that organisation become a "third party"? — Insta ntnood 18:39, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

And you continue to exploit the situation by extending the meanings of words beyond their most common purposes. I talk about "third party" sources in reference to all non-wikipedia sources. It is not relevant on what this topic is talking about, if you understand what the meaning of "third party sources" is.--Huaiwei 21:18, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we'd better avoid seeing "country" and "sovereign State" as equivalence. — Insta ntnood 10:10, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

I believe I didnt remember wrongly that HK was returned to Chinese rule under the One country, two systems formular? It didnt sound like a "Two countries, two systems" formular at all, does it?--Huaiwei 10:58, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's a slogan form policy.. Many academics and experts have pointed out it is a bad translation. In strict sense, it should read "two systems within one sovereignty" or "two systems under one sovereign State". — Insta ntnood 11:03, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

In Chinese it reads 一国两制. Still sounds perfectly similar to a case of one country to me.--Huaiwei 11:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I now understand.. you consider "country" and "sovereign State" are equivalent, because the distinction is not as explicit in the Chinese translations of "country" and "State" (and "nation" too). The character 國 corresponds to the several different meanings in English. — Insta ntnood 11:32, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

And the term "Chinese" or "China" corresponds to several meanings in English too, dosent it? So your point being?--Huaiwei 11:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is a private university network within other universities. The autonomousness of HKs primary education system isn't an issue. SchmuckyTheCat 16:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Instantnood's edit[edit]

I would just like it to go on the record, that User:Instantnood appears to be igniting an old debate and continuing to do revert edits in [1], fresh out of a 7-day ban.--Huaiwei 03:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The previous version "University of Hong Kong (Hong Kong, People's Republic of China)" is better. It does not imply that the education administration is not independent. The nested curved brackets look bad, and it reminds me of my lisp programming assignment.--Vsion (talk) 05:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In what way do you think it can be best presented? — Insta ntnood 20:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's hardly an old debate. In her/his edit on February 2 to remove a redundant square bracket [2], the way Hong Kong was presented was also changed. — Insta ntnood 20:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A simple look at the article history shows edit warring dating back to 25 July 2005, ignited by User:Instantnood's edit [3]. The most recent edit may be different in the strictest sense of the word, but the underlying dispute remains the same. I find this attempt to disassociate the two as reflective of someone seemingly attempting to game the system. And it is certainly not unknown, that the dispute over commas vs brackets have sparked many an edit war in recent months. The attempt to introduce it here can hardly be considered to be an edit in good faith.--Huaiwei 20:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It makes no difference if the educational system is administered separately, does it? This article has nothing to do with politics or governments, Universitas 21 has little to nothing to do with the educational administration of the local government. The brackets are just Instantnood forcing any presentational different between HK and the rest of China. SchmuckyTheCat 20:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, we don't have to sort the institutions according to geographical regions, and specify their locations (in the "settlement, country" format) in brackets. — Insta ntnood 20:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More accurate intro[edit]

Universitas 21 is an international network of universities, established as an academic circlejerk because their members were obsessed with prestige while lacking Ivy League membership.

Let's face it, whether we want to admit it or not, this is the real reason for the union. I could put it into more polite terms for you pretentious Wikipedians, but I think the above conveys pretty well the gist of it.

How does that make sense when the Ivy League is an Athletic "alliance" in the United States only? --Vylen 06:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

UCD Dublin & Tec Monterrey[edit]

Whoops, I see I'm not the first one to update the page. I edited it based on this UCD bulletin, it seems the official website is taking its time to update the member list, or UCD's claim is false 83.70.53.167 13:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PageRank[edit]

I have added Universitas 21 website ranking for Google PageRank is 10 out of 10. Let me know if their is any issues. MohammedBinAbdullah (talk) 11:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]