Talk:Ursid hybrid

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Brown/Grizzly Cross[edit]

Grizzly Bears are indeed a subspecies of Brown Bears. If this instance is to remain included, it would help if the subspecies of the other brown bear involved was identified. The region it came from would probably be enough to identify this. - Slow Graffiti 15:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Grizzly Bear/Polar Bear hybrids[edit]

I added a lot of detail to this section which I think is justified, given the implications of global warming and the possibility that more such crosses will be documented as DNA testing becomes more routine. The hunter's name is in there because of his neologism; having put his name in, the guide who led the hunt and noted the oddity could not be left out. The neologisms are important to include in case anyone is searching on those terms. All the material added is from the sources cited, with the lengthy CBS version of the AP story and the CBC being primary, and the Seattle Post-Intelligencer contributing only the global warming note. The sourcing syntax needs work to make it good Wiki style, but that's a project for another day. Since interest in this bear is at its peak now, this material was added today. -- Lisasmall 11:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right article for so much detail when the Grizzly-polar bear hybrid has an article of its own.--Joe 1987 12:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd say conversely, the Grizzly-polar bear hybrid page isn't worth having as a separate page and should be merged into this one - MPF 23:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I strongly agree with MPF. The Grizzly-polar bear hybrid page should be merged here. -- Lisasmall 03:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I've added a citation for the previously citationless statement about the paraphyly of brown bears with respect to polar bear. Anyone who's more familiar with Wiki mechanics is welcome to convert this to footnote form. Lavateraguy 13:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


Please don't assume links to the Messybeast hybrid-mammals.htm page are dead - my server suffers hiccups sometimes and has outages, but it is very much alive! There are some photos of a polar/brown bear cross on my page which I'm offering for this article if someone wants to upload them for this article as I don't yet know enough about loading them (and it will overcome my server outages). I'm taking photos of as many preserved mammal hybrids as I can find and putting them in the public domain. Messybeast 06:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Added photos.Messybeast 09:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Erroneous hybridisation table???[edit]

Can someone check the reference for the hybridisation table? (A. Gray, 1972, «Mammalian Hybrids», second edition) The table may be wrong, since it does not match the information stated in the article. he table includes a ursus thibetanus/ursus arctos hybrid that is not mentioned in the article. Instead the article mentions a ursus thibetanus/melursus ursinus hybrid which is not included in the table! ( (talk) 13:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC))

See here for a secondary source for Ursus arctos x thibetanus. Lavateraguy (talk) 19:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
See here for a report of Ursus thibetanus x malayanus. Lavateraguy (talk) 19:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Kodiak brown bear?[edit]

I thought the kodiak brown bear only referred to those on Kodiak Island itself. Those on the continent are just brown bears or grizzlies. -- (talk) 00:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Spectacled bear hybrids?[edit] "Thereafter, between 1963 & 1991, the "Las Delicias" Zoo exhibited a male Spectacled bear, originating from a forest in the vicinity of Sanare, Lara State. Since 1964, this animal shared its enclosure w/ a female Asiatic black bear (Ursus thibetanus) originating from the Miami Zoo, U.S.A. This couple produced several decedents starting from 1975, when the first hybrid male cub was born." & @ jstor: "hybrid of a spectacled bear (Tremarctos ornatus) & Asiatic black bear (Selenarctos thibetanus) born at the Maracay Zoological Park, Venezuela." (talk) 01:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Grizzlies ARE Brown Bears[edit]

This article has some serious problems with the brown bears. There is no reason to have separate brown bear/polar bear and grizzly bear/polar bear sections. The main article on bears correctly points out that there is only one species of brown bear and that it includes the grizzly. Having a separate Kodiak/Polar Bear section is just stupid. Kodiaks are brown bears also. In addition, it is obvious to anyone who looks at a map that no polar bear could reach Kodiak island and that is the only place where Kodiak bears can be found outside of zoos. (talk) 17:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 17:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Quite true. The various types of brown bear are, at most, subspecies or breeds (like dog breeds). Kodiaks tend to be larger, is all. WP:SOFIXIT SBHarris 18:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)