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External links[edit]

Also, two suggestions for common VJ software: Cycling '74s jitter (Max/MSP have their own page) http://www.cycling74.com/products/jitteroverview and Quartz Composer. http://developer.apple.com/graphicsimaging/quartz/quartzcomposer.html (also has its own page already too). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djrug (talkcontribs) 05:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a weekly gathering which features audio/visualists in New York City and globally called Share, whose site is at http://www.share.dj/ and the New York City specific page: http://www.share.dj/share/ I didn't want to edit the page directly (since I've never contributed before), but think this would be a good inclusion. Djrug (talk) 04:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I removed sections wholly composed of external links that had been added by 81.106.146.155 wikipedia is not a links database etc etc --Sleepytom 23:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I added back in the links to Regional VJ meetings. Please discuss here before removing them, I'm interested to know why (whoever removed them) thinks they are not appropriate. Momothemonster 01:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)momo_the_monster

Please do not add links unless discussed here. Thanks. Lewispb 22:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Added referenced quotes at start of page with definitions of VJing. Also added VJ Hardware section with some history of VJ related hardware and some relevant links - please don't delete these as they are not spam - i know that wikipedia is not a link database etc etc Sleepytom 20:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Added list of notable VJs with links to wikipedia pages if they have them (err is it better to add dead links for everyone in the intrests of fairness or should it be left as is for people to update if the add pages about these people?) also added references section 81.179.124.243 09:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Removed spam links to shops selling DVD content

removed spam external links posted in the notable VJs section Sleepytom 20:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello, blog.lecollagiste.com why the site is spam? how a webmag on culture vjing is spam? human or robot behind this decision unjustifiable and anti french? thank you answer me with valid argument —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.224.12.148 (talk) 08:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

See WP:ELNO #1, #4, and #11. --Ronz (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Need to understand why community building initiatives such as festivals and gatherings have been removed from this posting. VisionR, LPM, Mapping Festival, AVIT events in general are a major factor in the growth and expansion of this medium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senterio (talkcontribs) 16:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Context[edit]

I don't believe the tag on the article which says "The introduction to this article provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject matter." is required. The opening is perfectly understandable. Falcolombardi87 18:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I've just been through it and it is fine. I've expanded it slightly but it was good enough before to remove the tag. In case it isn't I've laft it there and another editor can make the final call on that one. (Emperor 20:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC))


Just to note that John Logie Baird was producing Television broadcasts in 1926 - before Farnsworth - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird

87.194.207.97 (talk) 18:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

notable VJs[edit]

(please sign your comments or it makes the discussion hard to follow)

I don't think the "top 20" notable VJs is appropriate. It was done in a London magazine and do not reflect the reality that is why I removed it. There a lot of notable VJs not mentioned here, this is not a British review!

i disagree with the above statement - DJ magazine is an internationaly avaiable magasine which is widely read. whilst it is debatable if the VJs listed in their top 20 are the "best" they are internationaly regarded VJs and as such are a good start for a list of notable VJs. other similar sections of the wikipedia contain lists of notable practitioners so i feel it is appropriate for the VJ section to also contain such a section. i'm not going to reinsert it yet as i feel we should have more consensus on this but imho a notable VJs section is a usefull addition to the VJ entry. Sleepytom 12:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I too agree with SleepyTom that it should be included.

Although I disagree with the results and how they were obtained it is the nearest thing we have to decent list. To remove the list and have nothing to put in its place seem less correct. Does the person that removed the section have a better list. Rovastar

Thank you for not putting back this notable VJ list. I agree that DJ magazine is international magazine, but the poeple who voted for the artists were english, and actually, the guy who was doing this survey (VJ Anyone) finally found himself in this list....wonder why... There is a VJ book that is coming out from D Fuse this fall that is a more open to what happens around the world. Maybe you should make a list out of artist invited in internationaly known Electronic arts Festival, like Ars Electronica, MUTEK, Cimatics,


I took out the advertising from a artist collective in the section of official events. If you guys want publicity, go somewhere else!

I do agree with not having a list of VJs as that would be contributing to stardom of some and is totally what to me this is not about. Nonetheless there is no reason why not add software and festivals as well as gathering, since there is a list of hardware (and a picture of a V4? Alright, is a good mixer but hey, how about other mixers? ). Other think, This should add some other work around VJing as for example people who write about it. VJ Theory (www.vjtheory.net) for example, Professor VJ and others. Or are you guys just interested in the practice and showcase of work and not on reflective thinking on your practice? (Auidoforvisual) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Audioforvisual (talkcontribs) 20:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

History[edit]

Deleted the entire paragraph referenced in this section and reproduced below during wikisprint because could not find anywhere any citations or sources, only found either the entire paragraph, or pieces of it, verbatim on various sites, but never any citations or sources. We all discussed and agreed most of it fell into the anecdotal realm, especially the first sentence regarding the check and also the part regarding "...using the first video synthesizer in the late 70s..." Wasn't clear if author meant the first synth was made in late 70s, which would have been inaccurate, or if author first used the synth (which one?) in the late 70's. Here is a copy of the paragraph removed:

"The first written use of the word "video jockey" was used on the paycheck of Merrill Aldighieri in May 1980. She had been improvising live interpretations of the DJ music 8 hours per night for several weeks in an experiment to create a visual component to the music and lightshows in the club, using the newly installed video system which had TV monitors throughout the club hanging from the ceiling. Her studies in film with such innovators in animation and sound as Stan Brackage and Michael Snow, and her apprenticeship at Rhombex Studios in NYC using the first video synthesizer in the late 70s prepared her for this natural evolution of art and technology. She continued VJing in several nightclubs in NYC through the 80ies and then became active in producing finished music video oriented programs for Sony, MTV, and experimental films and animations for PBS. She occasionally tours with highlights from her archives and continues to experiment in multi-media production." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roguewaves (talkcontribs) 10:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

In the Mid 90s, before Aestisis and more influential, there was Cthugha and Bomb.

I am the person I wrote about who had the first written use of the word VJ on her paycheck. I am the person MTV first asked about the term I used to describe myself, and it is why they used the term in their TV channel they started about 6 months later. I added as much of the info I know about pioneers in the art of video as seem relevant to me in my path to invent the term and the job of VJ. If anybody would like to write me to talk about anything or find outside sources to add footnotes to make a better article, please do so, but I am the source.Tonedefcom (talk) 02:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I just had to delete the line about 1st audio synth in the 70s. --Buchla and Moog were both in business in the 60s and the RCA was in the 50s. 24.56.20.82 (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Demo Scene[edit]

Maybe it would be a good idea to make a comment about how the European demo scene has highly influenced VJ software. Aestesis, Motion Dive and Moonster have been written by old demomakers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.17.131.25 (talk) 00:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC) as the developer of aestesis, and friend with moonster's developers, I confirm that we were coming from the demo scene — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.10.251.80 (talk) 13:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Also the first PC VJ software were made possible cause of the [Tseng_Labs_ET4000] first video card who could display a totally new frame each frame at 60 fps.

Definitions or advertisement?[edit]

Are those "definitions" in the first segment there for any reason except self-advertisement (each is followed by a BIG LINK IN CAPITAL LETTERS...) And some don't make much sense... Quote: "VJ allows audio visual artists to research and resample mainstream audio visual culture." Uhh, the VJ allows artists to research? Is he a sheriff of the visual arts? Or is VJ a corporation?? Or a military organisation ("Vojska Jugoslavije")? Quite confusing... ;) --Irina666 (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

t a rough guess I'd say the term might be a contraction of "Video Jockey", since the role appears to be the video equivalent of a DJ (Disc Jockey). Might be useful if someone could find a source or two for this and insert it into the article... Mittfh (talk) 23:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, the article should be called make some distinction - as not all VJs are performance artists, though the video mixing technology *is* often used for live performances and performance art. Deadchildstar (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed name change of the article[edit]

A group of editors is currently trying to improve this article (wikipedians Anaoak, Axelator, Carriegates, Kenfeinstein, Roguewaves, Sleepytom and myself). We are wondering if the title shouldn't be changed into VJing, or maybe VJing (live visual performance).

Arguments pro:

  • If you read through the article, you will notice that it describes the artform of VJing, rather than the person (the VJ) practicing this artform. The same is the case for articles such as video art, installation art, architecture, design, sculpture, electronic art...
  • If you check the What links here page, you will notice that most of these articles use the word "VJing", "VJ-ing", or "VJ art", rather than "VJ", to link to this page.
  • In other languages the page can also become VJing as this is a multilingual and international designation for the practice.
  • VJ is an independent practice and not directly related to DJ.
  • The page is about the practice of VJing and not the practitioner, the VJ. This is applicable to any other area of work wether this is within an artistic context or any other context. For example we refer to medicine to describe what it is (as well as its many branches) and not the the doctor as the one who practices. Anaoak (talk) 16:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Arguments against:

  • the page about DJing redirects to DJ.
  • Wikipedia pages in other languages are all named either VJ, Video-jockey or Visual-jockey.

Please voice your opinions about this namechange. --1904.CC (talk) 09:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


Technological Developments - 2010s?[edit]

In the 2000s section the article reads: "Compared to the ~640x480i fixed format of NTSC/PAL, a contemporary laptop using DVI can output a great variety of resolutions up to ~2500px wide, and in conjunction with the Matrox TripleHead2Go can feed three different displays with an image coordinated across them all."

It's irritating that only one particular graphics card (Matrox TripleHead2Go) is mentioned here, but without some expert knowledge about the VJ scene it's hard to tell if this is advertisement or if this model became popular enough at some point to be relevant. Either way, technology has moved on and so the facts should be updated to reflect that. For example, there is AMD's EyeFinity technology which allows to feed 6 displays with just one gpu (at a total max resolution of 7680x3200). DisplayPort 1.3 is supposed to support '8k' resolutions up to 8192×4320. On the other hand the computational power required to render graphics in such high resolutions at acceptable framerates is a limiting factor, at least at the current date. 88.152.59.11 (talk) 12:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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there is no WAY that VJing is the correct headword for this article (VJ or veejay or whatever would be better).[edit]

there is absolutely no way on Earth that this is the correct title. I mean I get that perhaps the letters V.J. could stand for other things, so that the correct title could be "veejay" or "VJ (visual jockey)" or any number of other examples.

But there is absolutely no way that VJing can be the correct title (even if that is the correct spelling) any more than KJing or DJing can be the correct headwords for those two articles. Which they're not.

It's just not how an encyclopedia works. This should redirect to "VJ" or "veejay" 2A02:AB88:24C1:1680:DDEC:FEC2:C0CE:9B63 (talk) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)