Talk:Victor Hugo Green

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"Wrong target?"

I'm concerned about extensive deletions of supplementary content which I added to this article. Victor Green's life included his becoming an entrepreneur: seeing opportunities with his guide book and creating a travel bureau business, in addition to hiring agents to research his guide, marketing and selling it. The article is about him, not just the take which the NY Times article took on The Green Book; the full scale of his creativity and building relationships with national associations and businesses deserves to be covered here.Parkwells (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PDF version of Green Book

1949 edition has been scanned and posted as a 91 Mb PDF on this website of the University of Michigan, PDF here. Fascinating document, though the quote from the introduction "There will be a day sometime in the near future when this guide will not have to be published. That is when we as a race will have equal rights and privileges in the United States." seems to be removed by this edition. (which is interesting in itself). Davoloid (talk) 15:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Address

We list his address as 580 St. Nicholas, which was likely true in 1930 (I still haven't pulled up that census), but he does not show up on the 1940 census for the building. I don't have good enough Census search tools to find where he was, but the 1940 location may be a bit more relevant, as that was during the publication of the Green Book. If anyone can dig up that address, it would be good to add. (I will not edit this article myself, as I have a strong conflict of interest, as I'm the publisher of the current reprints of Green Book volumes.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 05:45, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't found the 1940 Census page but his 1942 draft card[!] gives his address as 938 St. Nicholas Avenue and hers as "same" so the update can be made. Not sure I follow the logic to including either, so I did not make an edit. Also, since I found it in the same place, his 1917 draft card gives his address as 206 State Street, Hackensack, NJ. That excellent site, albeit with a poor UI, has other documents on him collected at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L2H1-ZR1. Czrisher (talk) 13:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks muchly! That's useful info. (I will agree that the usefulness of street address is questionable... but interesting in an odd "he published street addresses" way.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: African American Literature I

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 August 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): ReeseJ05 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Jakealler (talk) 18:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Green Book misdescribed

@ReeseJ05: The statement that you added in this edit, the that Green Book "outlined prominent establishments in segregationist states like Alabama and Georgia as places where African American might face discrimination", is inaccurate. The Green Book did not list places where one would face discrimination; it took the positivist approach of listing establishments where one would not (or at least where they were willing to do business with Black people.) And it did so not just in segregationist states.

I also don't see support in the source for the claim that the series "appealed to a large majority of the African American population"; it just said that it was more popular than similar guides, but when touting sales as being "over 15,000" at a time when the US Black population was over 10,000.000, you've got a fair way to go to find proof of a "large majority".

I will not correct/remove these statements myself, as I am trying to maintain a retirement from article editing and also because I have a significant conflict of interest, as my publishing line includes facsimile reprints of a number of Green Book volumes. But I do suggest that you or others here review these edits and adjust as appropriate. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ReeseJ05: And your new edit deleted sourced material and added unsourced material.... including the claim that Thereby, The Negro Motorist Green Book became a tool for African Americans to subvert white supremacy. According to whom? There are certainly many who take this view. There were (at least at the time) those who took the opposite view -- by steering folks away from where their presence would cause conflict and towards solely Black-friendly locations, the Green Book was serving segregation, not fighting it. As such, putting this statement in Wikipedia's voice is violating the WP:NPOV guideline. If a source could be found that made that claim, it could be quoted and cited, but it is not something which should be said in Wikipedia's voice. --Nat Gertler (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]