Talk:Victorian Liberal Party

Strange section

I'm really uncomfortable with the whole section titled "Liberal party pre selections and shift to the right". It seems to be made up entirely of content that has come and gone from the Marcus Bastiaan article as party insiders have tried to load that article with trivia about the internal machinations of the party. It doesn't belong there, and I don't think it belongs here. It's also sitting there like a shag on a rock, written as if the reader knows who "Guy" is, and what his political position is. But we aren't told. It's insider, out of context stuff, written by someone unable to take an encyclopaedic perspective.

I think the whole section should be removed. It will turn the article into a bit of a shell, but that's probably better than the clumsy garbage that's there now. HiLo48 (talk) 09:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Yep. If we had a proper article, I'd be in favour of some mention of the post-Napthine shift to the right - but when there is basically no other prose, this entire section amounts to undue weight. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:29, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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Local government infobox

I very much appreciate the meticulous efforts of Thiscouldbeauser to document the councils the Vic Liberals (and the Vic ALP) have representation on. However, I also think they clutter the lead and would be better presented as a simple 'local government' tab much like is done with the party's representation in the houses of parliament. While I think it's very nicely done, I don't think it's necessary or helpful for the reader to know exactly how many seats the party has on each council. Instead I think that information is better presented on the councils' respective articles. RoadSmasher420 (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

We have that for NSW, but it's outdated. I've manually counted the seats at 2021 New South Wales local elections. We really need to update LGA articles as soon as election results are released like we do for electorates (and of course we need to make more Australian local elections articles, there are a few for the Brisbane mayoral elections and I've made one for the latest NSW one (coinciding with two Sydney mayoral election articles, one made by me (2016) and the other (2021) made by another user) but still). We just need to make sure that any LGA article or infobox needs to be updated when needed (including the NSW one, see New South Wales Liberal Party, New South Wales Labor Party and The Greens NSW). Local government in seems to be an area where Wikipedia (albeit the English Wikipedia, despite it being the main wiki in Australia) lacks a lot of info (or at least updated info and election articles).

Thanks! Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I very much agree! However, I still don't think my fundamental concern with the size of the LGA infobox has been addressed. I think the infobox would be great for specific council-focused articles, but I think it's given WP:UNDUE weight on pages of parties. It's about as large as the main infobox but the info included is quite a bit less important. I think a simple 'seats in local government' bar in the main infobox alongside the seats for the federal and state parliaments would suit these pages perfectly, while the finer details of the makeup of individual councils could be reserved for their respective articles . What do you think? Loytra (talk) 11:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that would work. However, again, there is still a lack of local government-related articles on Wikipedia. Thiscouldbeauser (talk) 22:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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