Talk:Virginia Cavaliers football
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I have failed this article as a candidate for Good Article status. Everything from about the middle of the article onward are just long lists, which seems like a rather too in-depth way to have an article layed out, and certainly isn't much in the way of brilliant prose. Of the top half of the article with real content, referencing is sparse, the lead is too short and doesn't give much summary of the history which consists of most of the content, and in the history itself, it reads like a sports magazine, with such speculative and non-NPOV statements as:
- "Support for UVa football had become spasmodic--even fraternity brothers were betting openly against the Cavaliers--around 1930, but in 1931, a dynamic new coach named Fred Dawson buoyed spirits. Losing seasons and a lack of athletic scholarships took a toll on Dawson's enthusiasm, however, and he quit after '33--succeeded by Gus Tebell."
- "The Guepe years ended after the 1952 season, when the coach was wooed away by Vanderbilt. In successor Ned McDonald's first year, the record plunged to 1-8."
- "The 1940s arrived in Charlottesville, soon to be etched in memory as a decade of war and the era of "Bullet Bill."
- "Virginia, wearing new uniforms for the first time in 10 years and only the second time in head coach George Welsh's tenure, enjoyed one of the finest seasons in UVa history in 1994."
And many, many more examples. I'm afraid their so numerous that almost all of this article will likely need to be re-written. Also, it was my understanding that the acronym is supposed to be "UVA", instead of "U" + the abbreviation of Virginia the state. A note in the introduction about this might be nice. But anyway, this is not a Good Article. Homestarmy 20:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The former infobox-type portion of the page has been converted to the NCAAFootballSchool template. There are many more optional fields that can be used with this template to expand it.-Gwguffey (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
A lot of this article sounds plagiarized
Since I've revised this article multiple times, including today, I don't think I'm eligible to comment on the GA nomination. After reading it, however, I strongly suspect that large portions of the historical material, especially material regarding the years prior to around the mid-1950s, have been plagiarized, simply from the tone of the writing and the lack of citations in several sections (for example, "New stadium" and "WWII years"). Somewhere I have a copy of Ratcliffe's excellent book, but I don't really have time to go through it right now to compare it to this article. Phrasing such as "a dynamic new coach," "support had become spasmodic," and the assertion about Ohio State players having "cushy jobs" make me highly suspicious. I also note that the person who added a lot of this material made multiple spelling, grammar, and punctuation mistakes, and he was also rather inconsistent in how he spelled the school's name ("UVA" or "UVa"? The article should be consistent one way or the other, and prior to my cleanup today it was inconsistent). While some people will argue that such things are common (and they may be right), they don't give me reason to have any confidence in the quality of the material that was added by the person making the mistakes. 1995hoo (talk) 13:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- Incidentally, I note that a fair amount of the material noted in the prior GA review by Homestarmy in 2006 (see above) remains exactly as it was back then, almost FIVE YEARS AGO. 1995hoo (talk) 13:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hey, Hoo. Thanks for helping me clean this up. I'd say it's a lot more eligible for GA status now, with your assistance- I put out a notice for the Wikiproject group to help me comb through it, but you did more than anyone has in some time! Thanks. I don't have Jerry's book, so I couldn't say if the previous stuff has been plagiarized or not. You'd think he'd have been by the Wikipedia page once or twice, though- but no guarantee of that. Ahh, the "cushy" stuff was from the article I cited there in that paragraph, have a look. As for the stuff whats-his-face posted back in '06, I dunno. I debated changing some of it, but I mean- it's true. You, I think, did some better rhetorical stuff however. Say I was talking about the '96 Packers, I would probably refer to that season as "one of the best ever". Kind-of a line to tread there. I was also going to post on this board a discussion about UVA versus UVa, but UVA works for me as you've changed it- if nobody else has any objections, I'm good with it. All your changes are well thought out, in line with NPOV as much as possible. Ahh, we could certainly go through and check from JR's book, as well as "Wahoowa!" and such to see if anything's been lifted wholesale. Thoughts? Ks64q2 (talk) 03:02, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Image deletion discussion
Relevant deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2011_December_28#File:Virginia football helmet.gif.--GrapedApe (talk) 17:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Use of Lambeth Field
Hello, I am currently researching Virginia Tech seasons and have come across a few old Virginia Newspaper articles indicating that UVA started playing in Lambeth Field way earlier than 1913. Apparently the Virginia Tech-UVA game in 1902 was played in Lambeth Field (page 1, article on the right, field reference bottom right corner). Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thanks. Jwalte04 (talk) 18:14, 24 November 2015 (UTC)