Talk:William Beckett (singer)

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Clean-up/Rewrite?[edit]

I just happened to chance upon this article and WOW! It could pretty much use a total rewrite. It's very confusing in the way it's arranged and worded, not to mention very little of it is biographical. The majority of the article is really just trivia. If no one else is willing to do the legwork, I'll do it but I really only have a passing interest in Mr. Beckett.63.3.71.134 20:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


This article has gone to hell and needs some clean-up. Also, please refrain from fan-boyism on the talk page. 67.142.130.44 21:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Someone find a smaller picture please.—This unsigned comment was added by Acebrock (talk • contribs) .

I removed the following part: "He also wrote the drum parts to all the songs (EDIT: Beckett did NOT write all of the drum parts on the release ALMOST HERE. Rather, Mike Delprincipe the previous drummer wrote and performed drums the album as well as the E.P.)." I think the edit is inappropriate, and its truth negates the need for the first sentence.

I changed some of the wording and such, I'm looking for a new picture at the moment so if any one has any suggestions? Keeper oflore 11:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is he listed in the possibly living category? There's no indication that he's presumed dead or missing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.71.237 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True. And earlier, what's with the subjective doubles thing?--71.211.70.160 17:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also removed him from the vampire category because I believe that may refer to vampires of fictional lore, not celebrities who played such roles.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.71.237 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

William Beckett needs his own article seperate from The Academy Is... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rose.rome (talk • contribs)

And I fully agree. Extremely sexy 12:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

from what I hear/read the Baha Men cover is not real if it is it needs a source, I don't know what you're supposed to do about that, I understand about adding stuff, so I'm typing this here in hopes that someone does (Musicobsessed6 (talk) 03:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Hi. I'm not familiar with his work, though I monitor the article for vandalism. I have added a {{fact}} tag requesting a source and a {{dubious}} tag indicating that the assertion is doubted. If nobody comes up with a source, then you may want to go ahead and cut the line in a couple of days, as it does not meet our verifiability policy. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect[edit]

I have redirected this article given this, this, and the libel concerns that prompted protection of the article. --Coredesat 06:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Given that the AFD you cite specifically states that articles for the other band members should be nominated separately through AFD or PROD, I have reverted your redirection. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 04:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, in the event that a consensus does end up deciding to go to a redirect after an AFD or a discussion here, I'd like to recommend a protected redirect, since the page seems to have been vandalized more (rather than less) since it was first redirected. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 04:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage[edit]

Is there a source for the whole marriage deal or is it the work of some errant fangirl? Even absolutepunk, notorious gossips of the world of alternative music have nothing on the subject, which most likely means it isn't true... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.149.72 (talk • contribs) June 20 2008

It's typical of the vandalism this article gets. If the history of this article is to be believed, the man has been married more times than Liz Taylor. It's gone. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

updating the picture[edit]

I don't know how to go about doing that but I think this at least needs one that his face can be easily seen and more recent. but would using something of the band's Friends Or Enemies be allowed one(there's the benefit of all sizes), two, three(there's also the benefit of all sizes) or does it have to be taken by a fan

and on the current picture at least the year is wrong TAI were on the 2007 Honda Civic Tour
Musicobsessed6 (talk) 14:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We'd have to get permission from the copyright holder to run any of those pictures, which is more than likely why the article is illustrated with a not-so-great image. Quality is secondary to legality here. :) I've corrected the photo image to accord with the image page. The image page doesn't mention the Honda Civic Tour, but only an arena. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

so the surrounding images don't prove it or count —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicobsessed6 (talk • contribs) 01:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked back at this and whoops I didn't sign that
and I guess I was referencing this picture and this TAI TV not the descriptions Musicobsessed6 (talk) 01:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm changing the picture unless I can't figure it out I have permission for this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicobsessed6 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't figure it out can you please change it for meMusicobsessed6 (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Sorry. I didn't realize you were here talking to me. :) I really only monitor the article for the fan fluff edits of "I married William Beckett!" or "William Becket is so [insert BLP violating insult here]." I may able to help you get that on Wikipedia. This seems to be its source. Can you ask the photographer to make a note there releasing it under GFDL? The photographer needs to understand that this means that the picture can be modified or reproduced, even commercially. She still has the right to receive credit for the picture, but if somebody uses it in a magazine or something she doesn't get money for it. If she's willing to put that note on the website, then we can put that picture on Wikipedia. I agree that it is much nicer than what's there now! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
the link that said permission also had a link under the picture for source but I can either reply to that entry reply or you can hover over her profile image and go to profile but I'll try to use the reply Musicobsessed6 (talk) 16:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not entirely sure what you mean, as I'm not familiar with the environment. I'll just explain a bit further what I mean, and if that doesn't address your point we can continue to talk. :) Since Livejournal is a different environment than Photobucket, the photographer's permission at Livejournal doesn't count. We need permission to be given at Photobucket, where the image is hosted, so that we know that the person giving permission actually is the photographer. If she's willing to give permission for its use, hopefully she doesn't mind doing so at Photobucket itself. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
if you check that comment thread again I copied and pasted the giving permission on the photo part pretty much right after I left my last response here she replied "that's cool, I understand. so do you need the quote "I am Flora and I am releasing this photo under GFDL." ?" so I put, put in the description I think. and she may have not yet seen the response yet but if I get another reply confiming she did then I'll post another response on here or I could periodically check the photo page Musicobsessed6 (talk) 04:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what we need. :) If you note that she's put it at the picture, let me know, and I can help you further. Uploading pictures is a bit of a headache, but it is possible. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
the photo post has been updated with that I think the comment reply notification messed up or something so I sent a message and now it's updated with the permission Musicobsessed6 (talk) 03:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←Perfect! The thing to do now is to save the image to your computer and then to upload it to Wikipedia. I can see from your contribution history that you haven't done this before, so I'll walk you through that process. There is an "upload file" tab in the toolbox to the left (I tell you that for future reference; in this case, I'm going to give you the link to follow for this particular type of image in a minute). The upload page gives us a list of potential image types from which to select. In this case, we have "The work of someone else, who has given permission to use it on Wikipedia or it is a work released under a free license." The place to go is here. You select a reasonably good filename that hasn't been used. (don't worry about making a mistake here; if the name is in use, Wikipedia will let you know. Just type in a new filename, and it will check that one.) Then you fill out the summary. The most important points here are "source" and "permission." For source, of course, give the URL. You must give the photographer's name, or at least as much of it as she has publicized. Under license, I'd write, "Released at site by the photographer under GFDL, with the following statement: "I am the photographer, Flora, and I am releasing this photo under GFDL." Let me know, please, if you encounter any problems. I haven't done extensive work with photos myself, but I hope this one should be relatively uncomplicated. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

assistance in deciding if something is relevant enough to put[edit]

there are a couple things in this interview that might be interesting to put but I don't know what I should one part I just don't know how I should coheasivly include it

"...Basically I started writing my own songs because there weren’t any songs on the radio that were moving me or touching me anymore had to make my own. So I started writing songs in the basement. And one day my sister came down into the basement and was like hey what are you singing? What are you playing? What is that? And I was like I don’t know it’s just a song I wrote, so I played it for her and from that point on I would pretty much play her some songs in the basement and she would tell me what was shit and what was good, what was special and what wasn’t..."

Musicobsessed6 (talk) 23:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you could retitle "reviews" to "performance" or something and add a section before the existing note on critical reception saying something like, "Beckett started writing songs for his own private pleasure because he didn't like the material that was on the radio. He said in interview that his sister found him playing his songs in the basement and started joining him. She was his first audience and gave him feedback on the material he wrote." (With citations, of course.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have added that but instead of renaming I reorganized because all that was included under side projects was not true to what side projects are usually classified as now I feel it is more true to its meaning. I hope the I the reorganizing I did was done properly and combined some of the guest vocals so the title, artist, and album were in succession instead of the song title being in a completely different paragraph
Musicobsessed6 (talk) 03:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

how do you add a reference request[edit]

that new last paragraph of the Reviews section doesn't sound right or correct honestly it sounds nothing like him and it says "...the band's show's seem more like "The William Beckett Show, with backing music"" then it goes on to say that it's because of his "off-stage behavior" the show would be on stage and other bands would know that the lead singer is usually the most prominent of the group at least while they are performing and he doesn't seclude himself much as far as I know(okay that parts my opinion also my opinion and many others he's a very sweet guy) it's either completly false or less likely taken out of context

Musicobsessed6 (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. You can tag it {{fact}} to request sources. At this point, though, I've simply removed it, requesting sources if it is restored. (It represented a concern under our biographies of living persons policy.) The previous paragraph in that section is a problem, too, though not for BLP reasons. iTunes is a commercial site, and so it is not a reliable source by Wikipedia's definition. If the article is to include reviews of Beckett's performances, it should utilize reviews from sources that are not designed to sell albums. :) I wonder if Rolling Stone has anything to say. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

links[edit]

are fansites appropriate links? I'd think they'd be more appropriate for the whole band article if they are not solely dedicated to him Musicobsessed6 (talk) 05:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, only official ones. Fansites are listed at WP:ELNO as "Links normally to be avoided". --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
okay, thanks as far as I know they don't have any official fansites I had deleted them off this article already but now I've went and deleted them off the bands article too Musicobsessed6 (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for keeping an eye out for things. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

birthday[edit]

how do birthday's usually get cited? there was some stuff from when it was his birthday Wendsday but the most official is stuff from their fanclub one on the logged on news page and the other was from the audio of a performance that was intended to be an exclusive download(someone disrespected their wishes and leaked it to non-members) and that part isn't on a live video at least that I could find. Friends or Enemies did post this but I didn't think it was near official enough and what he posted it's not saying out right February 11th is my birthday it's just adds up to it I guess it would be [1] Musicobsessed6 (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That seems like a solid enough source. I don't think it crosses the line into speculation. :) Are you asking about the proper form of the citation or if the source is reliable? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
if it was reliable. which one were you talking about FoE or William's blog? Musicobsessed6 (talk) 14:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't sure which one you were referring to so I guess the FoE one but if that is not the one you said seemed solid enough I can fix it or you could whichever Musicobsessed6 (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. I didn't see that you had responded I meant the official blog seemed solid enough, not Friends or enemies. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
okay thanks, I fixed it Musicobsessed6 (talk) 23:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

regarding my removal of that edit[edit]

I did not think it is relevant yet if it is at all because who knows if it'll even be released someone said on the The Academy Is... Livejournal they didn't let her release some of her darker stuff who's to say they don't prevent this but it was the whole twitter I don't think that was really relevant to include one of his twitter posts. sorry if it was incorrect to have removed that revert it if nessisary but I don't think it need be included till officially released. sorry if I worded that confusingly Musicobsessed6 (talk) 03:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

concerning edits to the day of his birthday[edit]

he posted a short story of something that happened on a past birthday but he posted it in april which may lead to future confusion just like I edited out but his twitter said to twitter post

Today is NOT my birthday, but I've written a short story of birthday's past. http://www.thewilliambeckettblog.com/ 2:12 PM Apr 10th from web

Musicobsessed6 (talk) 01:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Personal Life[edit]

He admitted on having a baby and getting engaged with his fiance Christine Bandy in the newest issue of Alternative Press (Issue number 256). http://i34.tinypic.com/10zbfh3.jpg. Someone needs to add that. W nonsense (talk) 05:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be in the "Personal life" section. However, we can't link to tinypic, because that image is a copyright infringement. Can you give more information about the article? We need the title of the article and the author of the piece at least. I can see from the tinypic that will have to be removed that the reference is on page 84. Evidently the official publication date of this magazine is November. Has somebody leaked part of an advanced copy, or are they just that far ahead of themselves? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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