Talk:Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne/GA1

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Reviewer: David Fuchs (talk · contribs) 22:26, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


Hey, I played this :) Look for a review posted here by the end of the week. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 22:26, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

After review, I'm placing the article on hold. The basic structure of the article is fine, but it needs a lot of work.

  • Prose:
    • While keeping the gameplay of the main game, The Frozen Throne adds a number of tweaks to improve player experience. You have to assume readers aren't going to be familiar with either the article subject or the base game, and you shouldn't have info that's only in the lead. What kind of game is The Frozen Throne?
      • Clarified. SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Likewise, there's issues with details that I don't think make any sense in this article when they're divorced of context, and this is a huge problem for the gameplay and plot sections. You haven't explained what the food limit is, so The food limit has been increased from 90 to 100, and the upkeep requirements have been relaxed by 10 food units each means nothing (it barely means anything to me and I played the game constantly.)
      • Expanded. Hopefully I caught everything. SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Is it Warcraft III or Warcraft 3? Be consistent.
      • Sorry, I missed that one. It was only one instance which I changed. SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    • In addition, The Frozen Throne re-introduces naval battles—reintroduces from where? I know it's Warcraft II, but readers won't.
      • Added. SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Two new auxiliary races, the Naga and Draenei, have also been added.[6][4] The Naga feature in all four campaigns, and as playable units, allies, and enemies; while the Draenei, which are actually more sophisticated creeps, are found only in the Blood Elf missions. What is an auxiliary race? What are creeps? You haven't mentioned the Blood Elves yet.
      • Yeah, that is I think one of the last parts I did not rewrite. Changed. SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    • What is the World Editor, etc. etc.
      • See above, should all be addressed now. SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Not explained or introduced in the setting: who the Night Elves are, who Illidan Stormrage is, who the Blood Elves are, who the Alliance is, who Arthas is, who the Lich King is, who Sylvanas Windrunner is, who the Demon Legion is, etc. etc. The Setting and characters should have much more of an introduction to the universe and setting up characters rather than just listing them off.
      • Expanded. SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • References:
    • All the citations that are just to the game itself (such as current ref 4) need a better citation, whether to the game manual or a secondary source. Citing the game itself is really only acceptable for the game's plot where it's clear where the details are coming from, and even then it's not ideal.
      • Okay... WP:PSTS says you can use primary sources if you don't rely too much on it and gameplay can be reliably sourced to the game. Nevertheless, I removed this ref and parts that I could not source otherwise (and were not really that important). SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    • What makes Gamestar.de, Gamer.nl, and Blizzplanet reliable sources?
  • Images:
    • File:Orc minicampaign.png has no compelling fair use rationale detailing why it should be in the article. It either needs to be beefed up or removed (it's pretty much impossible to tell what is going on in the shot anyhow.)
      • Replace with a better image. SoWhy 20:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Misc.
    • The development section is rather thin. I don't think that's a significant issue for GA, but it lacks much insightful detail into the actual creation of the expansion and would probably leave readers wanting. Blizzard didn't release dev diaries, there were no previews, etc?
      • I dug into the web archives and added some more. SoWhy 20:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 15:48, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I added some comments above and made some changes to the article. I'll look at the rest tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to review this! Regards SoWhy 20:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
@David Fuchs: Again, thanks for the review. I think I addressed everything above. Please check and see what else needs to be done. Regards SoWhy 20:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC)