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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Support for move back to Whaddon Road as the common name.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Abbey Business Stadium → Whaddon Road — Stadium's common name. — Dancarney (talk) 14:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related page moves. Dancarney (talk) 08:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Oppose the move back to Whaddon Road: First of all - I didn't realise there was a "requested moves" thing as there isn't one on any other wiki, so sorry about that. Right, my reasons for opposing the move back. First, Whaddon Road is the common name for the ground, not it's actually not official. The official name was the Victory Sports Ground, from 1945 to a few days ago. Because of the new sponsor, the stadium has been officially renamed the Abbey Business Stadium, there is a link to the news on the official website. Whaddon Road like I said is the name we all use and how people recognise whose stadium it is, but it's not the official name. Officially official (gosh, I'm hating that word now...!). A redirect from Whaddon Road to Abbey Business Stadium will be fine, as nothing else is likely to be named Whaddon Road any time soon (if ever). Dave (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose For Arena/stadiums, etc., we go by the official name of the building (for example, Izod Center instead of Meadowlands Arena). TJ Spyke 03:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Agreed with TJ. Save Us.Y2J 15:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please note that according to Wikipedia's naming convention "Except where other accepted Wikipedia naming conventions give a different indication, title an article using the most common name of the person or thing that is the subject of the article..." so the stadium's common, not official, name is what should be used. See the featured article, Valley Parade (officially the Coral Windows Stadium). Dancarney (talk) 08:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - clearly the most common name for the stadium. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I know common names are used but even the Cheltenham website is now reporting on games at the ABS, not Whaddon Road. If there's a redirect from Whaddon Road, the top of the page of this article says that the ground is more commonly known as Whaddon Road, so surely there's no problem. Dave (talk) 11:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The club are obviously going to refer to it by the sponsored name because the sponsors tell them to, so I'm not sure we can read anything into that. The local paper, however, refer to it as Whaddon Road..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I could argue that that is only the local name... Dave (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Despite the assertion that official titles are used for sports arenas, this is not actually a consideration in our naming conventions. We should use the most common name, per WP:COMMONNAME, as it is not only the most recognisable name but means we don't have to constantly move articles around when sponsors change. The official name is irrelevant if the most common name is unambiguous. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think stadiums will change that much in terms of names. This is the first name change for 65 years. We won't move to a new stadium soon either. Name changes are rare - so there's no problem with keeping it as the ABS. Dave (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is "no problem" with moving it to the previous title either. I'm still not seeing anything related to an actual naming convention to support the current one. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 07:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAMES - searching for Whaddon Road gives around 42400 Ghits, whilst Abbey Business Stadium gives us the grand total of 10 Ghits. Also, the sponsored name is temporary (a five year deal) and it's highly unlikely that this name will be widely used outside of official club sources. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 11:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it won't change for five years... :) But as for the "ghits" thing, that's understandable as the name change was very recent, so not everyone will be aware of it. Dave (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support the move back to Whaddon Road. Mainly per Bettia as the common name for the ground. Keep a redirect from ABS by all means. Think it is hilarious they are now trying to brand it a stadium - far too grand a monicker for the dear old place, but then again I never quite got over them knocking down the Wyman's Road terrace and building that horrid stand. FWIW Jeff Stelling and Radio 5 Live are both still calling it Whaddon Road Nancy ^talk 17:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC) (Robin in exile in Berkshire)[reply]
Support move back to Whaddon Road as per WP:COMMONNAME. King of the North East 23:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - as per WP:COMMONNAME and other precedents for football grounds, e.g. Priestfield Stadium etc. - fchd (talk) 20:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

I have seen both "Whaddon Road Stadium" and "Whaddon Road Football Stadium" used for the now "Abbey Business Stadium". See, e.g. "Cheltenham Areas: Whaddon Road Football Stadium". Wouldn't one of those be better than just "Whaddon Road"? --Bejnar (talk) 20:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no, never heard it like that. Unless the word "stadium" is in the title, it's fine as is. We wouldn't called our stadium "Abbey Business", would we? Dave (talk) 20:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there's reason to believe that Whaddon Road the street is likely to get an article at some point, there is no need to disambiguate away from the common name by sticking "stadium" on the end. The current title is different in that sponsored stadia are typically referred to by the whole title, i.e. KC Stadium, Ricoh Arena et cetera. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.