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Kreizberg has a new recording with Julia Fischer of the Tchaikovsky violin concerto which was very favorably reviewed in Fanfare March/April 2007.

Previous version/hagiographic tone

The prior versions removed useful references as well as included text that was much too subjective and hagiographic in tone. The purpose of wikipedia is to present "just the facts" and not be a fan page. DJRafe (talk) 16:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proper way to contest content

Piggy, you are not supposed to remove the content but flag it, so that people can provide the proper citations. -- kosboot (talk) 03:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

This said he changed his name to avoid confusion with his brother Semyon. This says one of the brothers “has his mother's surname, but I can't remember which. Probably the one not married to a Labecque sister”. (Semyon Bychkov is married to Marielle Labècque.)

I get from these that they were both born Bychkov, and Yakov took his mother’s surname Kreizberg. But the sources are not great. Can this be confirmed in a better citation? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 18:18, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've known him personally and yes, Kreizberg is his mother's name. But I'm not sure where one can find a source for that. -- 19:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Now I have three sources, so that should no longer be an issue. -- kosboot (talk) 18:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 11th March it was reported that Yakov Kreizberg is critically ill with only days to live

On 11th March it was reported that Yakov Kreizberg is critically ill with only days to live keeps getting put back into the article. The last time I saw Mr. Kreizberg conducting a Julia Fischer concert some years ago he did look ill and in pain so it could be true he is even iller now. Where did you hear the news he is close to death? Radio, internet, friends colleges of him. I hope he is in the best of health or gets back to health. All the best to him! — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 23:05, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"...it was reported" -- WHERE was it reported? -- kosboot (talk) 00:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I finally found something on the Netherlands Philharmonic site, but it's vague beyond regretting his recurring "illness" [1]. -- kosboot Btw, I've contacted his agent, but have not yet received a response. (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He has now died which has been posted correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.176.192 (talk) 18:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I appreciate everyone's concerns for accuracy, the requests for his critical illness to be made known were at the request of family and colleagues none of whom wanted to be named. Anyway, it matters not now as his death has been made public. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.176.192 (talk) 18:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WHERE (we keep asking) has it been made public? You can't cite it in Wikipedia unless it has been published elsehwere, even if it is true. -- kosboot (talk) 18:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, his agent issued a press release. -- kosboot (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kosboot just let it lie now for God's sake. A very talented man has died very young and it has been reported correctly. Some things are more important than your bureaucratic rules and regulations and the obvious strict order you require in your life!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.37.193.217 (talk) 20:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be new to wikipedia. Unfortunately from time to time there are people who add false information to wikipedia articles "as a joke". We could not know if you added the info about his illness "as a joke", which has happened to other wikipedia articles where people where declared death while they are still alive... — Yulia Romero (formerly Mariah-Yulia) • Talk to me! 21:21, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I made various supported statements (with references so not "a joke") about Yakov's illness that were true and substantiated but they were removed. However, that was not my main point. Kosboot seemed not able to let the matter lie even when information had been posted on Yakov's death that was substantiated by his own agent! Obsession is a word which springs to mind. I note also that helpful additions that I made tonight with reference to Yakov's career even though they were substantiated by reference to a bona fide website, have been removed. I may be new to Wikopedia but it appears as this is far from the universal contributors' haven that I was led to believe. Instead it seems to be governed by an elite who have their own subjective interests! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.6.176.192 (talk) 23:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

80.6.176.192, you are wrong about this chronology: Once you had posted about his illness, yes, I did remove it because there was no documentation. But I immediately contacted Yakov's agent, though she didn't respond. Once the agent posted the press release I was the one that added a citation. 80.6.176.192, it has nothing to do with anal qualities, but is a rule of Wikipedia: You can not make statements about people (particularly statements about living people) without documented evidence. Saying "Kreizberg is seriously ill" is inappropriate unless you can cite a document that says so. Look further up on this page: I know for a fact that Yakov studied conducting for years with his brother, Semyon (I know this first hand because I was one of his closest friends when he first came to the US). But because that is not documented anywhere, it's inappropriate for the article. Wikipedia is not a place for press releases, nor it is a place for original research, but a place that gathers *existing* documentation. If it doesn't exist on the web or in a written document that can be cited, it should not be in Wikipedia. -- kosboot (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

half-brother?

On Norman Lebrecht's site, he calls Kreizberg a half-brother of Semyon Bychkov. This is totally untrue. They were full brothers of the same parents. Both born Bychkov, but Yakov changed it to Kreizberg by around 1979 to avoid competition with his brother. -- kosboot (talk) 18:45, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Anderson's obituary also refers to Semyon Bychkov as the half-brother of Yakov Kreizberg. DJRafe (talk) 07:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Teachers

Although Kreizberg studied with Musin, he also studied for several years with his brother, Semyon Bychkov. That's never mentioned in press releases, so it probably can't be put in the article unless Bychkov eventually reveals this. -- kosboot (talk) 18:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Naturalization - Austria?

I know he was a naturalized American, although I've not yet found a source for that. Why does the article give his nationality as Austrian/American? -- kosboot (talk) 20:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The biography on his website states he was Austrian/American. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Parents

His father, May Bychkov, was a doctor in the Soviet Union who published prolifically on the subject.^[1]

Still trying to remember his mother's name! -- kosboot (talk) 00:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's Dorotea - I believe she's living in France. -- kosboot (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Thomas F. Valone, Bioelectromagnetic Healing: A Rationale for Its Use (Washington DC: Integrity Research institute, 2003), p. 4.

Anyone know of the piano competition in the Soviet Union?

Before he emigrated in 1976, Yakov won a piano competition in which he played the first movement of the Tchaikovsky piano concerto with orchestra, which was telecast in the Soviet Union. Are there any Russian-speaking people who can look this up? -- kosboot (talk) 03:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish

There's no question he was Jewish - I'm just having a hard time finding documentation. I did find this profile with his brother Semyon asserting he (Semyon) was Jewish: Anne Midgette, "For a Russian Masterpiece, A Russian-Born Maestro" New York Times, Jan. 22, 2004.. Is that enough? -- kosboot (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also the article that cites him accompanying Mozart and Salieri - describes him immigrating in the wave of Jewish immigrants from the Soviet Union. -- kosboot (talk) 14:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death

According to NRC Handelsblad (I found this in the newspaper, not on its website) he died of a long disease. Should this be mentioned in this article? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:56, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, diseases aren't long or short. ;-) It's when they infect living things that they become long or short. Literally, "long disease" doesn't make sense, whereas what's currently written, "long illness" does makes sense. One German obituary presumed it was cancer, but I've heard from other sources that the family does not wish to provide details, so I guess it's best to leave it at that. -- kosboot (talk) 18:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, hence I wanted to discus it on this talkpage first. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Section: Critical responses

I've been including the occasional critic's review in the body of the article, but I think by next week I'll have enough material to create a separate section on "critical response" (need to see how other articles call it). So I'll remove all the ones I've inserted, leaving the body of the article to be strictly what he did and where, and then have all the critical responses in the new section.

I also hope I'll have enough quality reviews of recordings that I can have a separate section on recordings. (The reviews in American Record Guide are amateur reviews, generally not worth quoting/reading.)

Other than Toscanini and Bernstein, I think the Kreizberg article may be one of the larger ones on a conductor. :-) -- kosboot (talk) 15:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I now have enough material to start the "criticism" section (although the majority are of recordings rather than performances), so I'll be removing those currently in the article and moving them to the new section. Hopefully by the end of the weekend, I'll have a sizable start to the "reviews" section. I want to get a list/chronology of the operas at Komische Oper. -- kosboot (talk) 21:13, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I need to have some negative responses, but I've only found two so far (which is a good sign), both dealing with recordings where the reviewer was clearly having an off-day. Still looking. -- kosboot (talk) 16:54, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Operas

By next week or so, I'm hoping to be able to extract a list of the operas he conducted in Krefeld and especially at the Komische Oper. -- kosboot (talk) 16:54, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Length

Yes, the article is becoming long. But it can be safely said that there is no other published account of his life that is more thorough. -- kosboot (talk) 15:41, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dehart reference

The proper date for the Jason Dehart article from Tallahassee Magazine is July-August 2006. Unfortunately, the current format for references does not allow such hyphenated months with no number. It was necessary to choose one month, so I chose July. DJRafe (talk) 07:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

23 April 2015

For an extended explanation of my last edit, please refer to the bottom of this page, which covers a good portion of the (wholly justified) reasons for my edits, without having to duplicate the material here. DJRafe (talk) 06:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I was rash when I reverted previously. In more of a collaborative mood so I'll leave it as is (actually was checking my sandbox and still have a lot more which I could add). kosboot (talk) 16:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Thomas F. Valone, Bioelectromagnetic Healing: A Rationale for Its Use (Washington DC: Integrity Research institute, 2003), p. 4.

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