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- 1 Suggest new section: "Popular Quotes"
- 2 More vandalization. Someone changed Star Wars to Star Trek
- 3 Yoda's Makeup Artist Vandalized
- 4 Archived
- 5 Yoda's Homeworld, Full Name and Species
- 6 as for the Whills...
- 7 Categorization
- 8 In other media section
- 9 Remake of Yoda and CGI
- 10 Yoda
- 11 OVS Word order
- 12 strange line considering the actual timeline of filmography:
- 13 Yoda is NOT a Whill...
- 14 Capitalization of unknown
- 15 Homeworld
- 16 Language
- 17 The Notes Reflist
- 18 Yoda Race
- 19 The "evil" empire
- 20 Manner of speaking
- 21 Inspiration for Yoda
- 22 Image
- 23 Gender
- 24 Apperances in Pop Culture
- 25 wwe john cena stories
- 26 Vodafone
- 27 In universe/ vs pop culture relevancy
- 28 Yoda - Connection to the Greek Telephorus
Suggest new section: "Popular Quotes"
- That's what wikiquote is for. Exception would be if a particular line has some meaningful third-party coverage. I suspect we could probably find material to at least discuss its manner if speech. --EEMIV (talk) 14:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
More vandalization. Someone changed Star Wars to Star Trek
It currently starts with: Yoda is a renowned Jedi master, a fictional character in the Star Wars universe, appearing in the second and third original films, as well as all three prequel trilogy films. Yoda made his first on-screen appearance in Star Trek Episode VI: The Empire Strikes Back where he is responsible for training Luke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:00, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Yoda's Makeup Artist Vandalized
It currently states Yoda's appearance was developed by makeup artist Raven Baxter. While slightly humorous to think the star of Disney's That's So Raven created the image of Yoda, the actual makeup artist was Stuart Freeborn, who happens to have a Wikipedia article confirming that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RhythmRunneR (talk • contribs) 05:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Yoda's Homeworld, Full Name and Species
Back at the old talk page a lot of people said Yoda's name was Yoda D'kana and he was from planet Grentarik and was a Whill. This was made up by SuperShadow. I'm sorry, but it's all lies. So please do not add any of that information to the article. SuperShadow is a fraud people. --188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
as for that his last name is D'kana and he's from the planet Grentarik, I have nothing to say. However, I have heard it theorized by multiple people that he is a Whill. Is this suggestion just some speculation that caught on, or is there actual evidence that people base this on? Im not sure, so I don't want to change anything, but I figured I'd add my two cents here. Cactus Guru (talk) 16:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to reinforce and add some teeth to what was said about SuperShadow above. The individual known as SuperShadow was specifically repudiated in Star Wars Insider 90 by Pablo Hidalgo, former managing editor of the official star wars website. Mr. Hidalgo says about SuperShadow: "The site and the person who runs it, have absolutely no relationship with Lucasfilm or George Lucas. The person who runs it has never met nor talked to George Lucas. So-called information, "scoops", and interviews on the site are complete fabrications. Lucasfilm has taken action against the site several times when it has attempted to solicit fans' money under false pretenses." See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SuperShadow for more information and repudiation.
Bottom line: Nothing on SuperShadow's site is official or canon in any way, and should not be used as a source for anything Star Wars related on Wikipedia. For more on Star Wars canonicity, see http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon.
as for the Whills...
Yesterday I listed Yoda under Category:Fictional elderly martial arts masters and User:Wisdom89 removed it. However, I'm interested in what other editors think of the categorization. Yoda is currently listed under Category:Fictional martial artists as well. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
I see no problem with that categorization, unless Wisdom89 has some argument as to why the Ataru lightsaber technique can't be qualified as martial arts. Im no expert, but I believe the technique is based off a blend of fighting techniques, including martial arts. I would suggest you post a reply to him on his talk page asking about it, so you don't start an edit war. Cactus Guru (talk) 16:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think the pertinent question is..does a source exist that explicitly draws a parallel between martial arts and the fictional Jedi arts? Something from LucasArts would be fantastic..otherwise we're just kinda drawing our own links/conclusions. Wisdom89 (T / C) 16:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- By all means, I hope you can find it. Personally, I am distinctly reminded of martial arts when I think of Jedi Combat, but..well..guidelines and all :) Wisdom89 (T / C) 19:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Nick Gillard recruited Ray Park to play Darth Maul, in large part because of Ray's martial arts prowess and abilities as a stunt performer. Although I don't recall which issue, I believe Star Wars Insider had a discussion by Ray on how he used his martial arts to choreograph and execute the lightsaber duel with Qui-Gon in SW Episode I. A lightsaber is clearly a kind of sword, and swordsmanship is clearly a major part of martial arts. Yoda is a fictional character who was a master of swordsmanship with a lightsaber. He was over 900 years old when he died. So Category:Fictional elderly martial arts masters seems to fit pretty well to me. Al'Beroya (talk) 05:05, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
In other media section
I removed this section mainly for two reasons: 1.)It's WP:TRIVIA and 2.) It's kind of flat and unimportant. The latter reason isn't all that redundant with reason number 1 because sometimes trivia is useful, there's just nowhere to place it. I don't think mentioning video games is all that significant for this article. Thoughts? Wisdom89 (T / C) 02:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I cant find the version that included it. If it was just a list of video games he was in, I would think it could be taken out. If the section filled holes in Yoda's life between the episodes, however, taking plot parts that involve Yoda from the game, I think it should be included. Cactus Guru (talk) 19:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Remake of Yoda and CGI
On one of the bonus Discs they talk about the need to remake Yoda partly because the puppet originally used had been completely ruined over time, possibly by water (cannot recall). Source and add perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 12:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Perhaps, although, without a source, the claim doesn't hold much water. Are you suggesting that this should be added to the article, or just making an observation? Wisdom89 (T / C) 03:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
OVS Word order
The Language section states that Yoda sometimes uses OVS word order, and it gives three examples. However, the first two examples do not accurately illustrate this claim since they are intransitive. In "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter," and "Your father? Powerful Jedi was he" there actually aren't any objects. The third one, "Not if anything to say about it I have" is actually a good example, since it contains an object ("anything"). N-k, 17:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- I recall reading somewhere that Yoda's word order was inspired by the Japanese language, being that the franchise pulls a lot from Japanese mythology, including the "ancient master of the forest" motif. I can't recall where, though. --King Öomie 17:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
The examples given above actually have the following grammatical breakdown:
- "Luminous beings are we ..." Object phrase: Luminous beings - Verb: are - Subject: we
- "Powerful jedi was he ..." Object phrase: Powerful jedi - Verb: was - Subject: he
strange line considering the actual timeline of filmography:
set 22 years after Revenge of the Sith, Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) arrives on Dagobah to seek Yoda's guidance. This happens after Luke is instructed to do so, by the Force-ghost of Obi-Wan (now played by Alec Guinness)..... I don't know, saying "now" played by Alec Guinness, when he was the original actor to portray the character, doesn't seem right and it can probably be reworded to omit the need for such an awkward sentence with regard to the actual situation. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Yoda is NOT a Whill...
At least according to Wookieepedia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Order_of_the_Whills
"It is a common misconception that "Whill" is the name of the unknown race of Yoda, but George Lucas has firmly denied this. Their form is totally unknown, so since the Whills were an early concept of the Force, some fans speculate that the Whills are of spiritual substance more or less like Wisties and probably immortal."
I just changed it, since you are correct and Yoda is not a Whill. Early on in the writing of the script, George Lucas planned to have the story of Star Wars being told by a mystical species, the Whills. This was taken out, and as far as I am aware, they were never actually used in any final drafts of any Star Wars movies/books/stories/etc Cactus Guru (talk) 19:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- As the article state George Lucas has not told us anything about species/race/home planet. But I remember reading a Star Wars-magazine as a kid where there was a page with short facts about Yoda. This can all be made up by the people behind the magazine and in no way be canonical. But it said that Dagobah was Yoda's home planet and that he was the last of his race. IMO the fact that he chose Dagobah as his place of exile makes it plausible that it really is his home planet. But, as stated earlier, since Mr. Lucas hasn't said anything I guess it makes it pure speculation and hence doesn't fit in the article.18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Capitalization of unknown
Is there a cogent reason for why unknown is written in two different ways (in the info box)?
For Homeland it's Unknown, but for Species it's unknown.
Yoda's anastrophe is a well-known detail which is widely discussed and parodized (check Google or Yahoo for evidence). I suppose it deserves being mentioned. --22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
The Notes Reflist
Yodas race is stated In the role play games "Star Wars the Role Playing Game" by West end games in 1988 User:Atree2220:37 25 april 2010 (UTC)
The "evil" empire
The Empire was unquestionably portrayed as evil in the original trilogy. Wikipedia's neutrality policy doesn't apply, any more than it does to Lord Voldemort or Sauron. --Doradus (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Manner of speaking
Yoda's manner of speaking may be "unique" within the film mythos, but is itself ripped off, along with most of the character's attributes, from poorly dubbed "master" characters in Asian martial arts films. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Yoda speaks in a different order. The regular speech in english is Subject - Verb - Object, e.g.: "Jedi works for apples." However, Yoda speaks in a different fashion, being Object - Subject - Verb. so it would sound: "For apples, Jedi, works." - this is the way his speech is done, and i would think it is a good idea to explain this in the article itself - what do you guys think? regards, HelenoBR (talk) 02:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Inspiration for Yoda
We all know that George Lucas is a Kurosawa-Fan. Could it be that the old man in The Seven Samurai was the inspiration for Yoda? His Walk and mannerism reminds me of Yoda. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 16:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed; you mean the character Gisaku, who, sameways as Yoda (or rather the other way around!) grunts before or instead of talking. And badly walks with the help of a stick. Someone else noticed the resemblance, too: http://adelaidescreenwriter.blogspot.com.ar/2011/10/terry-rossio-seven-samurai-and-star.html?m=0
It seems to me that the lead image isn't that great. Personally, I think that it would be best if we replaced it with an image from Episode V - as is, we're treated with an often mocked depiction of Yoda, and an image of Yoda in Episode V would show a much more well-loved version. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed, and here is my rationale. This article exists because Yoda is culturally significant. He is culturally significant because he was a major character in Empire Strikes Back, which is internationally recognized as a great work. An image of him as a lightsaber-wielding duelist misleads readers because it is surprising and not related to the reason he is a significant influence on culture. This image may be more appropriate in a sub-section devoted to his portrayal in other movies. If no one has a compelling argument for keeping it, I propose that the image be replaced with one from Empire Strikes Back. DPRoberts534 (talk) 21:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Apperances in Pop Culture
There's an orphan entry for The Strange Case of Origami Yoda that could stand to be linked to this entry somehow. It seems most appropriate the be listed here as a Pop Culture item, along with stuff that's appeared in other media -- movies, television shows, animation, etc... Any input, feedback and help that can be provided is appreciated. There's a sequel book now, too, so I'm sure that should appear under Darth Vadar. --Possum4all (talk) 00:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Best Jedi Swordsman
Based on what I saw from all the movies...
Anakin was too flashy with light saber moves... Most of the fluff in between strikes are useless manuevers.
Obi-Wan - He's a master. Not to flash, simple and effective
Mace - Good style smart and agressive. More of a counter fighter.
Yoda - Well he's the Grand Master of the Jedi. Plus he has a very tricky style to defend.
Dooku - I have to say that Dooku had excellent skills in wielding a light saber but lacked mobility.
In universe/ vs pop culture relevancy
Like many of the Star Wars articles, this one is written mostly about what the character has done within the Star Wars universe, while ignoring the pop culture relevance and reception of the character in outside media. That is fine for Wookiepedia, but this is not a Star Wars specific encyclopedia. I would also like to point out that this article is significantly shorter than the one on Grand Admiral Thrawn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Yoda - Connection to the Greek Telephorus
I came across a character in a study of the Greek god of healing - Asclepius. There is a book that was commissioned by the AMA to establish the history behind the original Hippocratic oath which begins: "I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses.." It was written by a married couple - Eddelstein's who translated all the legends from the original Greek. What I find compelling relative to Yoga is that many of the current statues of Asclepius show him in the company of a hooded dwarf - Telesphorus. Since Hygieia and Panaceia were the daughters. Telephorus was his son. In reading the translations all the syntax used for Yoda were in the reverse, just as all the translations of Telesphorus. I can't help but speculate that someone in the creative department knew about this example as it projects the same mystical intelligence. Those who worked in the original temples to Asclepius (original one located in Epidaurus in Greece) were called the Asclepiads; Hippocrates was an Asclepiad, being seventeen generations removed from the beginning of the Asclepius practices. This is of relatively obscure sourcing but I see a connection. Even looking at the statues of Telephorus, there is a physical similarity. I have always been surprised that nobody mentions this so I thought I would bring it up and stimulate some conversation. Other characters in Star Wars have been given ancient names - such as Anakin who was an Egyptian Pharaoh. The whole story of Asclepius is one of the most fascinating that I have ever studied so I encourage anybody who delves into historic figures, archetypes and symbolism search out the "Asclepius -Collection and interpretations of the Testimonies" and verify the connection that I see - and see quite clearly, having read all 750 ages of translations! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 14:50, 28 December 2015 (UTC)