Talk:Yoshi's Island/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 19:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mine! Expect comments within a week. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a minor correction, Czar, Touch & Go was internally developed by Nintendo and your sources do not appear to claim otherwise. Great work on the article overall!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:01, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Right you are—thanks! I think I confused Topsy with Touch. Fixed it last night czar ⨹ 13:51, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you TheTimesAreAChanging. Czar, I have not forgotten about this review, though it's taken longer than expected due to off-Wiki activity. Sorry for the delay. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:52, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now let's do this..... Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:24, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"the first to have Yoshi as its primary character"..... protagonist or main character would be better
"Review score aggregator" isn't really needed here; that detail is better for the body
I don't think linking "a series" is needed
"It was the last console, 2D, Mario series platformer for 14 years"..... the last 2D console, and it would help to include the name of the next 2D Mario console game, New Super Mario Bros. Wii

Gameplay

Unless I'm misinterpretting MOS:REFPUNC, FN7 should be outside of the parenthesis
Super short paragraphs with just a sentence or two are discouraged per MOS:PARAGRAPHS, so I'd merge the third and fourth paragraphs

Development and rerelease

This is better titled "Development and release" as this section contains both original release dates and rerelease dates
"to himself" from "he thought to himself that" isn't really needed
"rather than the vogue, computer pre-rendered Donkey Kong Country graphics"..... awkward phrasing
FN11 is used excessively per WP:OVERCITE, which states that a ref doesn't need to be used more than once in a row per paragraph
FN12 only needs to be used after "lots of magic tricks" per WP:OVERCITE
I'm not sure File:Shigeru Miyamoto at GDC 2007 (cropped).png is beneficial. Either way, the caption used isn't very informative.
The original releases should moved to the first paragraph of re-releases; it's more connected to those than game production details

Reception

Remove "score" from "review score aggregator"
"Diehard GameFan" should simply read GameFan
What exactly is "To wit" supposed to mean?
"were the game's only shortcomings, both minor" reads awkwardly
It's probably worth adding a time range for the sales figure, and I'd include "has" between "It sold"
The period after "effects" in "Others praised the control scheme, technical effects. and sound design" should be a comma
Something about "as well as how smoothly its special effects suited its gameplay" doesn't really read well
Starting multiple consecutive sentences with "Edge" is repetitive

Legacy

Sequels and spin-offs

Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest, the sequel to Donkey Kong Country, should be mentioned by name.
"Yoshi Topsy Turvy" should read Yoshi's Universal Gravitation
Remove the possessive from "Yoshi's Touch & Go"
Since the plain text "Donkey Kong" links to the series, this article should instead link to Donkey Kong (character)
"It would be 14 years until the next console, Mario series, 2D side-scroller" reads awkwardly, and I would mention New Super Mario Bros. Wii by name

References

Kotaku, Metacritic, and IGN shouldn't be italicized; they are online references
See above note for "Diehard GameFan"

Overall

Well-written?

Prose quality: Needs some work
Manual of Style compliance: Almost

Verifiable?

Reference layout: Not quite
Reliable sources: Looks good
Original research: None detected

Broad in coverage?

Major aspects: While shorter than many game articles, this seems to include all the essentials
Focused: No excessive detail

Neutral?: Pretty sure there's no bias

Stable?: Nothing worrisome

Illustrated, if possible, by images?

Appropriate licensing: All good
Relevance and captioning: One questionable photo and caption

Pass or Fail?: On hold for seven days. No major issues affecting the article right now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS, I appreciate the review. Thanks! I think I've addressed the issues you've raised, if you can take a look. A few responses: If the issue with ref7 was the parentheses, it indeed goes inside, as you linked at MOS:REFPUNC (the ref tags belong just before the closing parenthesis). MOS:PARAGRAPHS says to minimize short paragraphs, not to fear them. The two sentences don't belong together and don't fit into the rest of the section, so I'd like to let them be. "Release" is assumed within "Development" unless there is a special reason to break "Release" into its own section (there isn't in this case). For the purposes of this article, "Development" and "Rerelease" are separate, but it made more sense to combine them into the same section, in which a joint title was most appropriate. ref11 was repeated for WP:MINREF: I needed to directly cite the quotes, and the one sentence that had two refs needed the previous sentence to reflect that the two-refs only applied to that singular sentence. But I was able to remove one instance. The magazine was known as Diehard GameFan at the time. "To wit" means "that is to say", or to signal a further elaboration. I'd take a leap and limit the sales figure to just SNES copies, but the source does not specify. Best to keep the ambiguity. The title of the DKC sequel (or the next SMB series entry) shouldn't matter apart from that it was a sequel. I'm using "Topsy Turvy" as that's what the source used. I treat IGN as a creative work for purposes of the citation, and I count Kotaku as an online news site to be italicized per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles#Major_works: "Online magazines, newspapers, and news sites with original content should generally be italicized". czar ⨹ 01:36, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough with sales and italics. I feel the providing game titles is informative, though, so I went ahead and included those while making some tweaks myself. Otherwise, good to go. It was my pleasure reviewing this :). Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - "The Game Boy Advance version adds an exclusive bonus level for each world with 100% level completion." This is wrong, the secret GBA levels are unlocked by completing the main game. Achieving 100% level completion in each world grants you access to the extra levels which are in both SNES and GBA versions. - hahnch e n 19:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Hahnchen, I noted how the SNES version had extra levels for perfect completion, but then what do you make of the IGN source, which says perfect completion unlocked a "GBA-exclusive level" on each world? My interpretation was that the GBA version added bonus levels atop those of the SNES, but it's possible that IGN got it wrong too. czar ⨹ 21:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IGN got it wrong. Check out some let's plays/walkthroughs, or just get an emulator. - hahnch e n 20:03, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure you understand why I'm generally hesitant to write off IGN's report for a bunch of online forum original research—right or not. I removed the "100% level completion", which should work. czar ⨹ 10:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]