Talk:Yukio Mishima/Archive 2

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Clarity question

@みしまるもも: Thanks for keeping an eye out on this article while I'm copyediting for the GOCE. I'm trying to understand what is meant by this: Some people who denounced them were opportunists, and Mishima criticized the people who turned to left and called them "opportunists" in his letters to friends. From what I understand, a different group of people (who have not been introduced prior in the article) attacked some literary figures for their expression. What is meant by "turned to left"? Is it supposed to mean "hold left-wing views"? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

The people Mishima criticized as "opportunists" were suddenly changed their attitudes to GHQ (SCAP) and denounced some right-wing figures as "war criminal". Even though the opportunists were war-cooperative during the war. Some accusers were left-wingers from the beginning, but some others seemed to change their attitude after the war. Sorry for my poor English.--みしまるもも (talk) 06:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

みしまるもも, I sort of understand a little better. Using the word "opportunist" in the same sentence twice like this looks strange, and I'm wondering if the meaning can be kept if it were reduced to something like Some people denounced them and converted to left-wing politics, whom Mishima criticized as "opportunists" in his letters to friends. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:53, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for your good translation. It’s OK.--みしまるもも (talk) 00:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

To Mr.Tenryuu

By the way, it's a different topic. I have a question to Mr.Tenryuu. I feel that the link of the Japanese person's name is double display. For example, Nagai Naoyuki, Nagai Iwanojo, Ashikaga Yoshihisa. I don't understand the meaning of the difference between them and Sadatarō Hiraoka or Tokugawa Ieyasu's simply link method. --みしまるもも (talk) 01:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

And, there are some your mistaken modifications such as putting the "The Temple of the Golden Pavilion" (1956) before "Confessions of a Mask" (1949) ([1]), changing the indication nihongo accurate link "宴のあと" and "人斬り", to wrong words "宴の後" and "人切り", and false changing as if Mishima asked for the abdication of Emperor Showa (Hirohito). Please be careful.--みしまるもも (talk) 00:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Weird text shows up in a hover-box

In the "legacy" portion of this article, when you hover over the word Anti-Americanism, you see the words "stupid 60 donner get a life". I have no idea what it means or how to fix it, so I hope someone else can fix this oddity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TIGERPUKE (talk • contribs) 17:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

TIGERPUKE: Thanks for the report, this was vandalism in the anti-americanism article that has since been removed. –xeno^talk 14:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Concerning his legacy

I considered adding the following information to the "Legacy" section:

"In 2013, Dale Eisinger of Complex ranked Mishima's suicide the 24th best work of performance art in history."

However, I decided against it as I feel that it is in bad taste to praise a suicide as a major work of performance art. Come to think of it, I am surprised that Eisinger's praise was even able get published in Complex. Do others agree that this should not be included? AndrewOne (talk) 02:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. AndrewOne. Thank you for your comment. You don't have to add some of those rankings. Because the "Legacy" section is a part to describe things that are objectively clear, such as a literary museum, a monument, or an influential group. If you want to add information on such rankings, I think it is appropriate to create a section called "Others" and add it there. --みしまるもも (talk) 01:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

References

"When his attempt failed, he committed seppuku."

Would be nice to note that he was most probably committed to die regardless of the outcome of the coup, no? By the tone of his books I myself feel like he had planned his death for a long time.

Thank you. After several years of contact with the Self-Defense Forces about the coup, Mishima was desperate for them and finally took action to leave a everlasting message in Japan. In other words, the purpose was to remind them of the samurai's way of life by showing his death (seppuku). So, to be precise, Mishima didn't die because he failed the coup d'etat there. --みしまるもも (talk) 07:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

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Just a quick double check

Regarding this edit. Since the refs are books and I don't read Japanese would someone please check and make sure they refer to everyone drawing blood from their little finger (no not the one from Game of Thrones-hee). I know Schrader's film shows Yukio using a razor to cut his pinky but I can also imagine that some of the participants might have cut a different finger on their hand. Any clarification will be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 02:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, MarnetteD. I will check the source again.--みしまるもも (talk) 07:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

From the source (Azusa Hiraoka),

「みんなで安全剃刀で左の小指を切り、」(Everyone cut their left little finger with a safety razor,)

--みしまるもも (talk) 08:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to check みしまるもも. Much appreciated. If any editors change it again we will be able to point them to this thread. MarnetteD|Talk 15:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Radical Right Wing Activities

This is mentioned in the introductory paragraph but not really expanded upon. Could someone please elaborate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.32.194 (talk) 22:07, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Someone may update this article based on your post but they may not. Your best bet is to search out Mishima: A Biography by John Nathan or The Life and Death of Yukio Mishima, by Henry Scott Stokes or Persona: A Biography of Yukio Mishima by Naoki Inose. Also the documentary The Strange Case of Yukio Mishima is available as an extra on the Criterion Collection DVD of Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters. Schrader's film is also excellent but wont be to everyone's taste. MarnetteD | Talk 22:19, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks MarnetteD I've started with Henry Scott Stokes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.34.111 (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Attempting to describe Mishima's distinct synthesis of traditionalism and vitalism with western political terms is rather facetious. As such, I've made a change to the introductory paragraph. Anyone in disagreement can respond to me here on the Talk Page and we can discuss further. BSC-56 (talk) 19:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)