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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by feminist (talk) 10:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT2a promoted

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Ali Curung

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  • ... that the town of Ali Curung, named in the Kaytetye language for a nearby ancestral dog site, was originally called Warrabri, a name made up from the language names Warumungu and Warlpiri? Source: Daughters of the Dreaming, p 72 [1], Tracker, [2], "Indigenous Placenames: An Introduction", p. 6 (top of page and Note 5 at the bottom of the page) in The Land is a Map. Placenames of Indigenous Origin in Australia [3] (in Section 4 of the Google books digital version - the scan is so poor that the Search function doesn't work, unfortunately)
    • ALT1:... that the town of Ali Curung, meaning 'dog-associated' in the language of the Kaytetye traditional owners, was first called Warrabri, a name made up from the language names Warumungu and Warlpiri? Source: (same)
    • ALT2:... that the town of Ali Curung, meaning 'dog-associated' in the Kaytetye language, was originally called Warrabri, a name made up from the language names Warumungu and Warlpiri? Source: (same)

Moved to mainspace by RebeccaGreen (talk). Self-nominated at 08:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC).

  • This interesting article is new enough and long enough. The proposed hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. I think trying to bring three unknown languages into the hook is too much. How about something like: Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2:... that the recently established Aboriginal settlement of Ali Curung was named after an ancestral dog site nearby?
  • ALT3:... that the inhabitants of the recently established Aboriginal settlement of Ali Curung speak five different indigenous languages?
  • Thanks for your review, Cwmhiraeth. I would not consider 63 years as "recently established" (Palmerston, the satellite city of Darwin, is almost 30 years younger), although I suppose for many parts of the world, it is. I would be sorry not to mention any Indigenous language names, too - and I'm sorry to hear that they are all unknown, as Warlpiri is one of the largest Australian Aboriginal languages, in terms of current number of speakers, and Warlpiri people's art and dancing is also well known. It seems to me too that hooks often include several unknown topics. I will think about the alternative hooks you've suggested, and try to come up with some others. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:10, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2 originally had "was" but I then stupidly changed it to "is", which as you point out is less suitable. Living in the UK, I am afraid that I don't know the names of any Aboriginal language and my knowledge of Aboriginal culture is limited to once seeing Rabbit-Proof Fence. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi again Cwmhiraeth, sadly I think it's not unusual for Aboriginal language names to be unknown, unlike Native American languages, which many English speakers could probably name several of. However, in the hope of getting readers interested enough to click through to the article, I suggest the following tweaks to the hooks you suggested. If we are using the word 'Aboriginal', I think it would be best to say 'Australian Aboriginal', as Aboriginal might refer to Canada. I'd prefer 'community' to 'settlement', just because that's how they are officially referred to. I have capitalised Indigenous as it's used in Australia the way Native American or American Indian are in America, as a collective name and adjective (and as noted in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Identity_(failed_proposal)#Indigenous_peoples). ALT3a is not actually that unusual, there are places where far more languages are spoken, eg Maningrida,_Northern_Territory#Culture, but I realise that's not widely known, and it is something to celebrate. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2a:... that the Australian Aboriginal community of Ali Curung is named after an ancestral dog site nearby?
  • ALT3a:... that the inhabitants of the Australian Aboriginal community of Ali Curung speak five different Indigenous languages?
  • Approving ALT2a and ALT3a and striking the remaining hooks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:44, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
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