Template:Did you know nominations/BK grilled chicken sandwiches

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The result was: promoted by Rcsprinter (natter) @ 18:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

BK grilled chicken sandwiches

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... that the Burger King grilled chicken sandwich (pictured) has been reformulated four times since its introduction in 1990?

Improved to Good Article status by Jerem43 (talk). Self nominated at 08:53, 24 December 2013 (UTC).

One can never run out of article ideas :) Fancy one on a chicken sandwich (mm mm!) An enjoyable article to read, and I trust that the GA review was executed with utmost integrity. The referencing and notes look legitimate (I admittedly did not check every single one). I shall assume good faith on the offline source(s) as well as the inaccessible ones like [1]. I hereby declare this review to be all good. Nicely done! THAT AMAZING GUY (Give your friendly bro a love note or two!) 07:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Original reviewer has been blocked as a sock, and a new review needs to be done. — Maile (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

The hook seems synthetic in nature and does not seem supported by a source. The topic seems problematic in that it gives undue weight to the Burger King product line as compared with its rivals. It seems to draw heavily on BK press releases and be promotional in nature. We don't have an article on the general concept - grilled chicken sandwich - which would be a more neutral way of approaching the topic. I suggest that the topic be reformulated along such lines. Andrew (talk) 15:23, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

How is it synthesis? The company has reformulated the product four times since its introduction, and each section of the article documenting this is fully sourced showing it did. There are five sources out of sixty five that are press releases: three from BK, one from Wendy's and one from CSPI and all of them are used properly per WP:PSTS. The other sixty are from independent sources, as required by our standards. The article is about the Burger King product line and is in no way promotional as it passed its GA review with ease. The reason for its naming because the company changed its name multiple times, not because it is differentiated from a grilled sandwich. Additionally, its name differs between markets. Why do we need a general article about the product, as we have Chicken sandwich? Could someone else review this? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 20:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

How do we know that it has been reformulated four times? Maybe you missed one and without a source, we can't be sure. But my real beef is the promotional nature of the article. As this is somewhat subjective, you are welcome to get a second opinion but I'm not sure there's a standard process for that. I expect that there will be an admin along in due course to tidy up but, if you want immediate attention, try asking at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. That's where I found this in a list of outstanding reviews. I have the impression that people weren't keen to review this because the topic seems a bit odd and there's masses of detail. Note also that there's some AFD history here and I was thinking of nominating it for deletion again. The bundle survived that first time but I'm not convinced that it would do so now. Andrew (talk) 22:07, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Some more detail. The article claims that BK was first with this type of product in 1990 but I find other chains did this sooner. For example, McDonalds were trying their Chicken LT in 1986. Other chains like Fuddruckers and Jack in the Box seem to have had similar products in the 80s too. And, of course, Chick-fil-A claim to have invented the chicken sandwich back in the 60s. When there are so many proprietary versions of a simple culinary concept, I still think we shouldn't be giving such undue weight to particular brands. Andrew (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

The statement is that it was that BK was the first major fast food chain to bring a grilled chicken sandwich to market as a standard menu product. Not a test as the linked article about McDonald's was, as this too was under development for years before its introduction - however, that link will help improve the article. The statements in the article are fully backed by the sources provided, including highly reliable sources such as the New York Times, International Herald Tribune, and the Chicago Tribune. As for you wishing to nominate it for deletion again, that is your right to do. However, you'll find that all of the articles easily meet the standards for inclusion. You may also want to note that most of the smaller articles are no longer independent and have been merged in to a single list called list of Burger King products. It is also on fairly solid ground regarding the standards of inclusion. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:42, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

What about ALT1: ... that the Burger King grilled chicken sandwich (pictured) has been reformulated several times since its introduction in 1990? Completely accurate. Article doesn't look promotional to me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The following has been checked in this review by Maile

Promoted to GA on December 23, 2013 and has 16638 characters (0 words) "readable prose size"
Every paragraph sourced
Image is in the article and the nominator's own work, and would look good if used
Duplication Detector spot check of found no copyvio
Accepting Crisco 1492's perspective that the article does not look promotional
I am also accepting on good faith the GA review done by Zanimum, who has been an admin since 2002 with considerable editing experience of his own. And while the GA review is not specifically a check point for a DYK review, here it serves as a needed extra opinion.
ALT1 hook is stated and sourced several places in the article.

This one is good to go with ALT1 hook suggested by Crisco 1492. Let's get the show on the road. — Maile (talk) 22:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC)