Template:Did you know nominations/Hooch maid

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The result was: promoted by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Hooch maid

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... that although hooch maids were known to keep the plumbing of soldiers clean during the Vietnam War, they were also described as being "good Catholics who ... would never date an American soldier"?

Reviewed: Imperial German plans for the invasion of the United States
Comment: This is just one character over the limit, although I had to butcher the quote in order to fit it. If it is possible, I would love to incorporate the full quote so that it isn't butchered.

Created/expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 07:17, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Note: I just changed the punctuation a bit, and it's now 196 characters. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:58, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Is the bit about them being good Catholics necessary? I'm simply asking because shorter-is-better, and you're going to get plenty of hits even without the Catholic element. Nyttend (talk) 18:14, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
- Also, what do you mean with " women could as much as a captain "?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 15:26, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
  - I've seen the "good Catholic" thing around on more than one site, and I meant it at the level of pay grade. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
  - This was because a lot of the Catholics were more sympathetic to the cause and many other various factors. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
    - I understand, but to me it seems distracting; you'll get plenty of hits with "that hooch maids were known to keep the plumbing of soldiers clean during the Vietnam War?" Nyttend (talk) 06:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
      - I think with the full quote, it is explained a bit more, but I kept it in there for a kind of shock effect. If you think it would work the other way, then go for it. Another idea would be to say that they flirted with the soldiers, and also kept the plumbing clean. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
        ALT1: ... that the hooch maids who serviced soldiers during the Vietnam War were described as "good Catholics who ... would never date an American soldier"? -- Better? Rcej (Robert) – talk 12:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
        I find that a incredibly degrading towards women and do not support that idea at all. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
        On the contrary, it was meant tongue in cheek for hookiness; but how is it now? Rcej (Robert) – talk 07:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
        Way better, although I would dispute "forced," since many did it out of a need for financial support for their family. Either way, I'm down for either hook. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Reviewer needed now that hooks have been set. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Date and sources look OK, but the article is too short - under 1,500 characters. This needs to be expanded if it's to qualify for DYK. Also, the clarification needed tag should be resolved. Prioryman (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Done Rcej (Robert) – talk 02:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

What one's the hook? Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm good with whichever you pick. Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

The article is just long enough now, and the tag issue has been resolved. I'm not sure about the hooks though; they imply that all hooch maids had sex with soldiers, though the article makes it clear that only some of them did. I'd suggest a simpler hook, perhaps something like the following. Prioryman (talk) 19:58, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that hooch maids looked after American soldiers during the Vietnam War?

That works, although maybe we could do this:

ALT3: ... that although some hooch maids were known to look after soldiers during the Vietnam War, they were also described as being "good Catholics who ... would never date an American soldier"?

If not, go for your hook, as it looks fine. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't mind either - I'll leave it to the closer's discretion. The article's good to go now. Prioryman (talk) 19:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)