Template:Did you know nominations/Joy (Steven Curtis Chapman album)

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 12:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Joy (Steven Curtis Chapman album)[edit]

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~~... that Steven Curtis Chapman's Christmas album Joy was called a "great way to celebrate this special time of year"?~~

Comment: Not a self nomination.

Created by HotHat (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 20:25, 14 December 2013 (UTC).

Too much like a quote farm. Also, there isn't much to differentiate the "Music and lyrics" and "Critical reception" sections - it all reads like critical reception to me. Gatoclass (talk) 13:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Gatoclass, I have given it a trim. Is it better now? Thanks, Mat ty.007 14:40, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

As with the other one, this is a very basic article that normally I would want to see filled out a bit, but since Christmas is only hours away I guess I can overlook its shortcomings. Not all that keen on the hook though, if someone could suggest a better one that would be helpful. Gatoclass (talk) 04:38, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I fixed the quotefarm quite a bit, but I took out the hook quote as well. The music and lyrics section is back and done like it should be.HotHat (talk) 04:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

... that Steven Curtis Chapman's Christmas album Joy was called ~~spellbinding~~ riveting for its usage of new imaginative songwriting and orchestration on traditional and new Christmas songs alike? HotHat (talk) 04:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

The article looks much better now, thank you HotHat, but I can't verify the "spellbinding" quote in the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 05:15, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I took and replaced riveting with spellbinding which is a synonym of riveting.HotHat (talk) 05:18, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Unfortunately, the removal of the quote invalidated the original hook, and the claim "called spellbinding for its usage..." is not supported in the article text, as it seems to be conflating the paraphrases of a few reviews, which is not allowable. At the moment, this is a nomination without a valid hook, and the clock is ticking down. I frankly find some of the new paraphrasing questionable, and some of the article's phrases need copyediting. This is not, as it stands, ready for the main page. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:21, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I tried, oh well. I am moving on.HotHat (talk) 05:24, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I'll have a go. How about:

ALT 1: ~~... that Joy peaked at 7 on the US Christian Albums chart?~~ Mat ty.007 09:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Hooks that have not been approved should not be put in a holding area, so I moved it back to its creation date. There are still several paragraphs that do not have inline citations, per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 10:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Fully sourced one, other backed up in table references. Thanks, Mat ty.007 10:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Gatoclass' first comment in this review still holds: the page is really basic, with just liner notes and critical reviews. I moved comments in the Music and Lyrics section to the Critical Reception section, and added one pertinent sentence to the former. This section really needs to be expanded, IMO, for this article to be considered a "start". Even though the stats are listed in the chart, please add a cite to the paragraph under Commercial Performance. Also, note that the Indie Vision Music review says it's Chapman's third Christmas album. Yoninah (talk) 14:34, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, removed which album it is, sources vary. Gatoclass also said "since Christmas is only hours away I guess I can overlook its shortcomings", in order to get a Christmas DYK. The issues can be fixed with the article held, but it will miss the one time where the hook is relevant. Thanks, Mat ty.007 17:02, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't see what makes ALT1 a Christmas hook, or an interesting one for that matter. (What is interesting about a number seven placement on a genre chart?) I'm reiterating this icon mostly because the issues with the paraphrasing remain and are significant, and the copyedit is still needed: the Critical reception section has issues with each of the second through fifth sentences, and the Commercial performance section and the second lede sentence could both use a rewrite. There's nothing wrong with taking time to fix the article and running it sometime before Epiphany; the season doesn't end abruptly at midnight on the end of Christmas Day. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I had a go at fixing the issues. Thanks, Mat ty.007 17:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Matty.007, I just did a further copyedit of the article, which left it at 1445 prose characters, too short for DYK. The nomination still needs an interesting hook; I've struck ALT1 because it wasn't interesting, which leaves no valid hooks to review. The article needs expansion and the nomination needs a good hook. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

What are we on now, Alt 2 ... that Joy was called "full of joy"? Mat ty.007 11:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I expanded the History and Music and Lyrics section with pertinent information from the sources. The article is well over 1500 char now. May I suggest this hook:
ALT3: ... that the African Children's Choir appears on Steven Curtis Chapman's 2012 Christmas album Joy? Yoninah (talk) 22:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, Alt 3 will need another reviewer. Thanks, Mat ty.007 13:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

ALT 3 is stated in the article and sourced online. Wow, this nomination has been out here almost a month. — Maile (talk) 00:34, 9 January 2014 (UTC)