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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by feminist (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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Julie Dretzin

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  • ... that Julie Dretzin assumed that she would not have a role in The Sisters Rosensweig, but she had to later move for the role even though she was already shopping for an apartment near her campus?

Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 5 September 2019 (UTC).

  • At present the article is under 1500 characters and is poorly sourced per WP:GNG. Moviefone and Internet Broadway Database are fine for background information but not to carry a whole article. Two of the sources (footnotes 3 and 4) refer to her husband. The article is also written in a roundabout way, kind of like a chat by the coffee table. More should be added about her birth and family, and the career information placed in chronological order. Yoninah (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: It was over 1,500 characters when I nominated it. I’m not using those two sources to carry the article. Moviefone was only used for her birth date and the other one was only used for the date of the play and its location. I will withdraw this anyway. SL93 (talk) 20:10, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Reopen per discussion on my talk page. The nominator is interested in expanding and improving the article. Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: The article is now 2,816 characters long and I included information about her narrating audiobooks. I placed the career information in chronological order, same with her personal life. I realize two footnotes refer to her husband, but I'm only using that to verify that the two of them are married and that her husband wrote for Breaking Bad. The two sources that you are referring to (MovieFone and Internet Broadway Database) were never carrying the whole article and was used for background information. The only extra thing that I could add to it about her personal life was that she has two children. I feel like that is enough and it's similar to other articles (including my own) that have made it through DYK with no complaints. Her personal life section has information about her mom, her husband, the college that she was planning on attending, the degree that she wanted, an early job, etc. SL93 (talk) 03:52, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Mary Welch, which you suggested an alt hook for on the DYK talk page, had much less information about her personal life. SL93 (talk) 03:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @SL93: I'm sorry, I'm really not following what you're saying. The article was under 1500 characters and very sketchy on details when I came to it; most of the text was quoted from reviews. I went ahead and added more sources to beef up the career section so it will look like a start-class article. Looking at IMDb and other lists, I see she has appeared in many productions, so a box with stage roles and filmography should be added. I don't understand why you submitted such a short article when there is much more information out there about her.
  • IMO the hook talks about too many things and is hard to read. Now that you have more information to work with, perhaps you'd like to suggest a new hook? Here is a suggestion:
  • ALT1: ... that Julie Dretzin has narrated audiobooks using Russian accents for some characters and Maine accents for others?
  • Since I put work into this, I'm calling for another reviewer to pick up this review. Yoninah (talk) 20:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: After I nominated it for DYK, an editor removed part of it as insignificant information. After that removal, I used DYKcheck and it was still little over. After your first copyedit, I checked it and that was when it was under 1,500 characters. It was short because I had troubling finding more sources at the time. I didn’t even know that she narrated audiobooks until I looked at Worldcat under the authority control template. SL93 (talk) 20:26, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @SL93: did you Google her at Google Books? There's more info out there; I just included a few plays. Yoninah (talk) 20:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I did, but they only listed her in a cast list with no details about her. SL93 (talk) 20:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Right. I found these snippet views with cast lists. If I couldn't see the name of the play, I looked up some of the characters in a Google search and came up with the play name and date. Yoninah (talk) 20:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I do think that there is no "should" in relation to there needing to be a filmography list because it isn't a requirement. If I do decide to add it, it certainly won't be in a box because I hate messing with those. I'm just saying this for the benefit of the next reviewer. SL93 (talk) 03:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Article was new at the time of its nomination, it is long enough now, uses reliable sources and is properly sourced (an initial concern in the first review), hooks are cited (verified Google Book references), no obvious copyright violations, no images to review, no tags or disputes, and it is well-written. I personally find ALT1 very interesting. MX (✉ • ✎) 04:00, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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