The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
... that The Defender, starring Steve McQueen and William Shatner, was called "one of the best dramas of the so-called Golden Age of Television"? Star Tribune: "The biggest treat tonight, though, is a quality blast from TV's past: a 43-year-old episode of Studio One on TV Land that is one of the best dramas from the so-called Golden Age of Television ... Studio One: The Defenders ... Twelve Angry Men author Reginald Rose wrote this classic for Studio One, a two-part 1957 drama starring Ralph Bellamy, William Shatner and Steve McQueen ...
@Yoninah: What I liked about alt 0 is that it focuses on the unlikely and little-known pairing of two future pop icons (McQueen and Shatner) in a drama considered to be one of the best from the Golden Era. I thought that was pretty hooky. If you prefer to go in another direction, we could focus on the fact that it was the first time a live drama was divided for broadcast over multiple nights, cliffhanger style. Maybe something like:
* alt 1... that Steve McQueen and William Shatner starred in The Defender, the first live television drama divided for broadcast on separate nights, "leaving audiences dangling on the cliff"?Cbl62 (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to encourage you to try to write a hook without using a quote. Anyway, considered one of the best dramas of the Golden Age of Television meets WP:LIMITED. Yoninah (talk) 19:11, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
As you can tell, I like a good quote, but both of the hooks can readily be modified to eliminate the quotes:
alt 3... that Steve McQueen and William Shatner starred in The Defender, the first live television drama divided as a cliffhanger for broadcast on separate nights?
Any of the above are fine with me. Cbl62 (talk) 19:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
ALT2 is better. We don't need so-called because that's close paraphrasing and anyway plenty of people call it the Golden Age of Television. But who is doing the considering here? One newspaper article? Please try to get away from the promotional language in your hooks. I'm striking the unused ones. Yoninah (talk) 20:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Why not go with alt 3 then? Cbl62 (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Any of the proposed hooks, including 3a, are fine with me. Cbl62 (talk) 22:41, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, that's nice. But we want to get something hooky AND verified on the main page. evrik, would you mind helping out here? Is ALT3a hooky/verified? Is anything hooky? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
FWIW, and while I'm still ok with any of the hooks, I think alt0 and alt1 are the strongest. Cbl62 (talk) 23:38, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I'll unstrike them. But you have five other hooks just like them, and readers and editors will start getting tired of your promotional quoting. Yoninah (talk) 23:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
As noted, I'm fine with any of them and leave it to you and others to choose. I just think that alt 0 and alt 1 are most directly supported by the sources and have a good hookiness to them. Your allt 3a is problematic because it's not really accurate, as cliffhangers were common in TV serials. What was unique here is the adaptation of the cliffhanger format to the more serious hour-long drama series. I've added some quotes to the article to clarify this. Cbl62 (talk) 00:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
My two cents. I like Alt1 and Alt3a. Alt 1 is my preferred hook. --evrik(talk) 03:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
OK. evrik, could you give a tick to ALT1 and I'll promote it? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
I guess it's up to me now. ALT1 hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Roller26. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 14:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Article created on 1-October. No issues, hook interesting and citied. Good to go. Roller26 (talk) 09:30, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@Cbl62: do you realize that many of your television hooks are in the same format, using a quote to praise the production? See Template:Did you know nominations/Forbidden Area (Playhouse 90), Template:Did you know nominations/P.O.W. (United States Steel Hour), Template:Did you know nominations/Bang the Drum Slowly (United States Steel Hour) Maybe you could try a different angle? Yoninah (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, that's nice. But we want to get something hooky AND verified on the main page. evrik, would you mind helping out here? Is ALT3a hooky/verified? Is anything hooky? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
