Template:Did you know nominations/The Establishment (Pakistan)

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk) 13:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Ineligible for DYK; already appeared in userspace with significantly more text; not a 5x expansion by any means

The Establishment (Pakistan)

  • ... that the Establishment in Pakistan is dominated by the military? [1]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Comment: I am just submitting it because the article is informative and would be a valuable asset for this board.

Created by Aman.kumar.goel (talk). Self-nominated at 18:36, 8 February 2020 (UTC).

I am not the one who created the article. Just participated in an AfD which concerned this article when it was a draft. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 04:59, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: The subject of the article is an interesting one, so I will suggest the nominator to look for an even more interesting hook. The current one is fine but I think that a better one can be used. Bharatiya29 11:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes I am 100% open to any other hook. With this nomination I was merely running fast in order to meet WP:DYKRULES. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 09:42, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Replacing icon due to call for new hook. Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
The proposed hook is interesting enough to pass the criterion. GTG! Bharatiya29 22:17, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure that this article qualifies for DYK as it is not a new article, just one that was moved to Draft while it was sorted out. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The article was created in mainspace on October 19, 2019, and would have been eligible for DYK if nominated by October 26, 2019. As far as I can tell, it wasn't. Under the circumstances, this cannot be eligible as new, and the article was so large prior to being moved to draftspace that a 5x expansion is impossible. Should this article ever become a Good Article, it could be nominated again for DYK, but for now, it simply does not qualify. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:22, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • The article was moved to the Draft namespace on 5 November. Since the current version was restored on 7 February, the article is eligible for DYK. Bharatiya29 15:49, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • BlueMoonset, is there any record of the page as originally created? If the current page has a similar character count as the original, I'll go ahead and close this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 19:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, the page was never deleted; it was just moved from mainspace to draft space on November 5, 2019, and then moved back to mainspace on February 7, 2020. This is the page as of the final edit on its creation day, October 19, 2019, at which point it had 16,200 prose characters. It had 38,118 prose characters as of 00:45 on November 5, 2019, thirteen hours before it was moved to Draft. The current page has a considerably smaller prose count of 4,711 characters as of its most recent edit on February 12. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: thank you for finding the history; I was simply unable to locate these previous pages. Per your explanation in your earlier post, this nomination simply does not qualify for DYK. Closing as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 13:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)