Template:Did you know nominations/Toni von Langsdorff
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 09:14, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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Toni von Langsdorff
[edit]- ... that Toni von Langsdorff was inspired to become a physician because of spinal tuberculosis, but was almost foiled by an ophthalmologist?
Created by Keilana (talk). Self-nominated at 06:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC).
I do have concerns about the sourcing here. Most of the content is drawn from the Biographical Dictionary of Women in Science, which appears to be itself drawn from Women physicians of the world: autobiographies of medical pioneers. Women physicians... is a collection of autobiographies, including von Langsdorff, which means that most of the content of this article seems to ultimately be drawn from something she herself wrote. Since I can't see the extent to which the Biographical Dictionary... based its content on Langsdorff's auotobiography (I'm unsure whether it's directy copied or just uses Langsdorff as its source) I'm going to be charitable and assume that the dictionary's ediotors did due dilligence in fact-checking the information. Even then, however, I'm not convinced that this presents the necessary level of coverage to meet the notabilty guidlines. Better sourcing would be a major improvement, although I recognise that this isn't an easy subject to locate sources for.
- That aside, the article is long enough and recent enough for DYKa and is neutrally phrased. The hook is a suitable length and is interesting, although only the second part is directly supported by a citation at the end of the relevant sentence. QPQ is done.
- Two (related) issues need to be addressed; firstly a citation at the end of the sentence about her sister's illness (easy) and secondly an attempt to locate more sources to ensure that this meets WP:N (not so easy). Yunshui 雲水 13:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Yunshui: Hi! Thanks for reviewing this so quickly! :) So the Biographical Dictionary did source from her autobiography, but Ogilvie and Harvey are the two leading scholars working on the history of women in science and, frankly, I would argue that anyone listed in the book is notable. Nothing in the book is directly copied from other sources, and they also use a number of standard sources listed at the beginning of the book, which may or may not be accessible on Google Books. Unfortunately, most of the other sources about her life are in German books, which I can't really access - the one website I found is from a university and managed to get through it with machine translation. I think her work founding the Medical Women's International Association (which will have an article as soon as I write it tonight - it's quite, quite notable) is enough to establish her notability as an early female physician. Best, Keilana|Parlez ici 17:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, having looked into it it seems there are a fair number of reliable sources in German (lots of Gbooks snippets out there). Might be an idea to get a German-speaking editor on board to help flesh it out, but I'm pretty convinced that she is in fact notable. Since that was my main objection, and you've dealt with the citation, I reckon this is okay to promote. Yunshui 雲水 18:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Yunshui: Hi! Thanks for reviewing this so quickly! :) So the Biographical Dictionary did source from her autobiography, but Ogilvie and Harvey are the two leading scholars working on the history of women in science and, frankly, I would argue that anyone listed in the book is notable. Nothing in the book is directly copied from other sources, and they also use a number of standard sources listed at the beginning of the book, which may or may not be accessible on Google Books. Unfortunately, most of the other sources about her life are in German books, which I can't really access - the one website I found is from a university and managed to get through it with machine translation. I think her work founding the Medical Women's International Association (which will have an article as soon as I write it tonight - it's quite, quite notable) is enough to establish her notability as an early female physician. Best, Keilana|Parlez ici 17:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
