Template:Did you know nominations/Wallachen

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Wallachen[edit]

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Bavarian playing cards used in Wallachen

... that, after Schafkopf and Watten, Wallachen is probably the most widely played card game in Old Bavaria and an indispensable part of Bavarian pub culture? Source: direct translation from page 2 of Rohrmayer, Erich (2015). Lerne Wallachen: Eine Spielanleitung für Anfänger, 1st edition. Amberg, Buch & Kunstverlag Oberpfalz. ISBN 9 783955 870232

Reviewed: Mein ganzes Herz erhebet dich

Created/expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC).

Length, date and neutrality checked, all good. The source is off line but accepted in good faith. In any case the online interview with Erich Rohrmayer, linked as a source in the article, also confirms most of what the hook states. If the hook isn't seen as interesting enough to a broad audience (I personally find it interesting as I have played a number of traditional Bavarian card games, also not Wallachen) an alternative hook could easily be found from the interview along the lines of Wallachen being threatened by extinction alongside the Bavarian village pups and their culture. Good to go from my side. Turismond (talk) 14:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Bermicourt: @Turismond: apologies for this, but I've had too pull the hook from the queue because there is some confusion about an apparent contradiction in the article text. The hook, and a statement in the article, say that it's the third most popular game in Old Bavaria, but that contradicts the part of the article which says it's rarely played today (although that assertion is uncited). Please could you clarify what the situation is here? Is the game still played and the third most popular? If so, perhaps amend the article text accordingly. Ping me once the issue is sorted out, and I can speed it back to the queues! Regards — Amakuru (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I've checked the sources again and tightened up the translation. Basically in 2012, Rauch and Schwarz reported that it had been very popular, but was then rare at pub tables. Rohrmayer, a Bavarian card expert, however, said in 2015 that it was still "probably" or "doubtless" (wohl can be translated either way) the 3rd most popular game in that region, which is not necessarily at odds with Rauch and Schwarz, especially as there has been a revival in traditional card games. I've added the word "probably" to the hook and tweaked the article text. Bermicourt (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether anything else is required from me as the original reviewer but I'm happy with the changes made by Bermicourt. Turismond (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

@Turismond: Thanks. I think just a tick () to catch the attention of those promoting DYK hooks. ;) Bermicourt (talk) 19:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Bermicourt, should have realised! Ok to go from my side. In regards to translating the German word wohl in the hook what about using "arguably"? Would that fit better? Probably seems a bit vague. Turismond (talk) 06:03, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@Turismond: I'd be happy with "arguably" too. Bermicourt (talk) 14:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)