Template:Did you know nominations/Western green mamba

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The result was: promoted by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 18:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Western green mamba[edit]

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... that the Western green mamba (pictured) kills its prey by pursuing it and striking it, killing it with its venom?

Improved to Good Article status by DendroNaja (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 18:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC).

Corrected "persuing" to "pursuing". Otherwise, all criteria seem to be met (although I could not verify the two sources provided after "This snake actively pursues its prey, striking rapidly and often until the prey succumbs to the venom" in the article). Perhaps replacing "striking it, killing it with its venom" with "striking it rapidly, often killing it with its venom" would be closer to the content of the article? --Edcolins (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, please can this wait a day or so? I am discussing alts with DendroNaja at the minute. Thanks, Mat ty.007 15:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Sure! --Edcolins (talk) 15:34, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for waiting. DendroNaja suggested this alt: Alt 1: ~~... that the Western green mamba (pictured) is one of the most venemous snakes in the world?~~ Mat ty.007 10:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

No, the western green mamba is not one of the most venomous, the black mamba is. What I said is that the mambas, including the western green mamba, have venom which contains pre-synaptic neurotoxins called dendrotoxins, which are the most ra pid-acting snake venom toxins in the world. So it would actually be Alt 2: ... that the Western green mamba (pictured), like other mamba species, has the most rapid-acting venom among all snakes? --Dendro†Naja ^{Talk to me!} 15:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, sorry. Struck mine and made it clear yours is the right one. Thanks, Mat ty.007 15:55, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I think its the best you can do with the western green mamba. Had this been the black mamba, you could've had so many awesome DYK's - they are the 4th most venomous snake species (LD50 0.05 mg/kg), the fastest snakes in the world, they have the highest untreated mortality rate (100%), and the list can go on and on. Unfortunately, the three green mambas aren't as remarkable aside from the virulent nature of the venom, which is similar in toxicity to many cobra species, but lethality rates are considerably higher due to the shorter time span victims have to get a hospital. --Dendro†Naja ^{Talk to me!} 16:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

What about this one?:

ALT3:... that the Western green mamba (pictured) has one of the most rapidly acting venoms among all snakes?

By the way, should the "W" of "Western" be capitalized? The article seems inconsistent in that respect. --Edcolins (talk) 16:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I changed it in the hook. In the article, due to it referring to West Africa (I think), I think it should be capitalised (I was reading the MOS about this on something else earler). Thanks, Mat ty.007 17:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't capitalize the "W" if you're going to refer to it as the "western green mamba", but it should be capitalized if you're going to refer to it as the "West African green mamba", which is another common name used to refer to the species. However, I've seen the "W" both capitalized and not in "Western green mamba" in both text books and peer-reviewed journalistic work aswell. But, I'm a laboratory technologist and an amateur herpetologist, not an English professor, so... --Dendro†Naja ^{Talk to me!} 17:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you refer to it as the "West African green mamba" just so that you'll have no issues regarding this matter. --Dendro†Naja ^{Talk to me!} 18:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Hooks need reviewing, plus a specific list of DYK criteria met would be helpful, including size, newness, neutrality, and close paraphrasing. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:32, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'll go ahead and provide the specific list of DYK criteria for ALT4. In my opinion, all other hooks could be problematic as to whether the 'W' in "western/Western" should be capitalized.

ALT4: ... that the West African green mamba (pictured) has one of the most rapidly acting venoms among all snakes?

Article is new. The article was designated as Good article on Feb. 28. The DYK was initiated on that day. Ok.
Article is long enough. Ok.
Cited hook. Ok (format is ok, content is ok, hooky enough).
Within policy. Ok (it's a good article).
Review requirement. Not applicable. Nominator is not the author.
Image is free, used in the article, and shows up well at small size (100 × 100px)

Let's hope I haven't forgotten anything.--Edcolins (talk) 07:48, 21 April 2014 (UTC)