Template:Did you know nominations/William Tennent III
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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William Tennent III
- ... that colonial-American minister William Tennent III was called the "Firebrand Parson" due to his strong support of religious and civil liberty? Source: "Nevertheless, his efforts in the American cause earned him the sobriquet "Firebrand Parson" among patriots in Charleston..." from p.161
Created by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 23:10, 4 March 2020 (UTC).
Article is new enough and long enough. Hook is within proper limits and is interesting. However, there are duplicate links in the body of the text. i.e.William Tennent and South Carolina General Assembly. Also, citations for book sources Howe(1858), Ramsey(1870), Kidd(2007), Bailey(1981), Krawczynski(2001), and Kramer(1953) lack page number designations. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
- Gwillhickers, Having no duplicate links is not a DYK requirement, nor is referencing specific page numbers. As I recall, most or all of the sources only had about one page on Tennent, so I didn't bother with page numbers. The article can be edited by everyone should anyone want to make those kind of changes, but I don't think they are necessary. MB 02:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- DYK criteria pertains to the hook size, length of the article, new enough, etc. You will not find rules and guidelines listed under DYK criteria. It was my understanding that DYK nominations must follow the same rules and guidelines { 1, 2 ) as do all articles. If this is, for some reason, something you refuse to do, or can't be bothered with, good luck with the next reviewer. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 02:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I came over to take a look at this and did some editing to fix links and reduce overlinking. I agree with Gwillhickers that this article is going to be tagged for lack of page numbers as soon as it hits the main page. I also cannot verify the hook fact; the article says
His efforts to stimulate Patriotism made him known as the "Firebrand Parson"
; isn't this a political position, aside from religious and civil liberties? Yoninah (talk) 18:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- DYK criteria pertains to the hook size, length of the article, new enough, etc. You will not find rules and guidelines listed under DYK criteria. It was my understanding that DYK nominations must follow the same rules and guidelines { 1, 2 ) as do all articles. If this is, for some reason, something you refuse to do, or can't be bothered with, good luck with the next reviewer. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 02:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Gwillhickers, Having no duplicate links is not a DYK requirement, nor is referencing specific page numbers. As I recall, most or all of the sources only had about one page on Tennent, so I didn't bother with page numbers. The article can be edited by everyone should anyone want to make those kind of changes, but I don't think they are necessary. MB 02:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah, Thank you for the c/e on the article. I'm afraid I don't understand your concern about the hook. Yes, his effort to stimulate Patriotism was a political position, which is why he was called the "Firebrand Parson". That is stated in the article and in the source. Are you saying the hook is saying something else? The hook uses the language "religious and civil liberty", which is a synonymous with Patriotism in the context of the American Revolution - the patriot cause was independence from England/ self-government (civil liberty) and religious freedom. MB 04:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- @MB: thanks for clarifying that. I just saw the term
religious and civil liberty
in a different sentence in the article, and wasn't sure how they connected. I added a link to the hook. How are you proceeding on the page number issue? Yoninah (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)- Yoninah, I added some page numbers. You should be able to use this soon since you are short on bios. MB 03:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- @MB: sorry if this comes across as pedantic, but a 14-page range for one fact is a little extreme. And a number of other book sources have no page numbers. Yoninah (talk) 18:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I have had almost no time recently due to RL commitments, but did add some more page numbers yesterday. I hope this is enough. MB 02:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: many, but not all, book sources have page numbers. The hook fact is cited to a page number. Is this enough to pass? Yoninah (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I think so. It wouldn't be at GAN, say, but I think it's enough to meet verifiability here at DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- However, I am unable to find any mention at all of Tennent in source 2, the Howe book, and I've searched through it. (I was able to find Tennent in the Ramsey source, which seems to confirm the Howe information in the second paragraph under Background.) MB, can you straighten out why I can't find Tennent in the Howe source? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I have had almost no time recently due to RL commitments, but did add some more page numbers yesterday. I hope this is enough. MB 02:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- @MB: sorry if this comes across as pedantic, but a 14-page range for one fact is a little extreme. And a number of other book sources have no page numbers. Yoninah (talk) 18:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I added some page numbers. You should be able to use this soon since you are short on bios. MB 03:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
BlueMoonset (talk · contribs), it seems to be something to do with the search feature of archive.org. If I search at google, Tennent is certainly mentioned in the book. Based on your comment above, I may have mixed up some citations. I worked on most of this article 1.5 years ago and got distracted, only recently returning to finish it - so I don't recall any specifics. MB 17:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- MB, thanks for the pointer. It looks like the link you used for the Howe source was to the 1883 Vol. II, and since the Tennent material is in the 1870 Vol. I, I naturally didn't find anything at the supplied link. The archive.org source has the 1870 Vol. I, but it's in two separate files, Part I and Part II, so I've been more specific and linked to the Part II one; I've also added page numbers to the four refs. I did split one of the {{r}} templates, since I'm not acquainted with it and couldn't get the page number to go to the second reference being cited on my first attempt. Yoninah, I think the citation issues should all be settled; please check and see what you think. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I was just waiting for you to iron out the sourcing. Everything else looks fine on my end. The hook refs are AGF and cited inline. Good to go! Yoninah (talk) 12:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
