Template talk:Edmonton Oilers roster
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Goodbye, Roloson
[edit]Dwayne Roloson has signed with the New York Islanders, today. GoodDay (talk) 18:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Stick to the source
[edit]1) This roster should match what the Edmonton Oilers website lists - it is the reference cited after all - plus the UFAs that remain unsigned that were actually on the roster at season's end. 2) Unsigned draft picks do not belong on the roster. I see that Nugent-Hopkins signed yesterday, but is it a given he will make the team? --Izzygood (talk) 14:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not going to revert User:Russ Jericho a third time (since I'm an unregistered user I suspect I'm more likely to be blocked for violating the 3RR rule). The only reason he has given for listing EVERYONE under contract (or recently expired contracts, i.e. UFA/RFAs) is that his "work" holds precedence over everyone else's work. That's not a valid reason. And his recent edit added a link to the Oliers prospects page. A prospects page is not the current roster. --70.15.124.143 (talk) 01:23, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nothing to do with my work holding precedence over anyone else's... The roster on the Oilers website is subject to change almost daily in the off-season and 9/10 of the time, this template here tends to be more accurate than the "official" source.However, I'm not in control of the Oilers roster on their website and should there be any issues with it, I usually send a message to Marc Ciampa (via Twitter), in order to point it out to him.
- As far as I'm concerned, if they're all under contract in-between seasons, shouldn't they be on the template and then hidden away once assigned to Stockton or Oklahoma City? You never know, some of these guys will get called up... Granted, some won't, but isn't this supposed to be an encyclopaedia? This is really where all the trouble starts in the first place, when you see a name like Kale Kessy or a Cameron Abney listed on the roster. If they're hidden once assigned, no-one says anything.
- I don't understand why the current revision has Curtis Hamilton and Martin Marincin (who haven't even played an NHL game with the Oilers) listed there, whilst completely and erroneously removing Anton Lander from here, unless that's some sort of mistake? Russ Jericho (talk) 18:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
- I have no problem with hiding ones likely to be called up once the season starts. But I wouldn't add every single player they have under contract. Only removed them at this point to make it easier to see what we were dealing with. Ironically to make it easier to see what players we were dealing with and to avoid missing someone but in the end I did with Hamilton and Marincin which I have corrected. That all being said. Visibly the only players that should visibly show up on the roster are those that we can reference. Just like anything on wikipedia we don't go by what we "know" to be true we go by what the sources tell us. So we are obligated to go by the official roster put out by the team. -DJSasso (talk) 18:57, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
- Alright, but what if the sources are wrong or outdated? What do we do then? Message the Oilers and ask them to update it, just to suit this place? I'd happily put money on Anton Lander being Edmonton's 4th line centre this coming season, but because he's listed on the "prospect" page, he's going to be left out of this template? I'm not throwing my toys out of my buggy, but I don't agree with it. I never have and I never will. I've never had any issue with seeing how many players on the template, because I edit this template all the time. It kind of feels like my baby, you know? I'm proud of the work I put into this, because I know it's accurate, even if the Oilers website is not. Russ Jericho (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
- During the season you might have a better case to argue that if the roster is out of date you can use another news article etc to show that a player was called up so you could update it. However, during the off-season the only source that is likely to exist with who the team considers on the roster is its website because any other source would just be speculating. We can do all the crystal balling we want but we can't guess at who will be on the roster come the season and add them to the roster. We need sources and right now the only source is the team and it is telling us their roster as they see it on their page. -DJSasso (talk) 19:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
- I have no problem having all those guys hidden. I do that over at the Flyers roster and I keep comments on where and when they went. TerminalPreppie (talk) 14:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, do you think we can kind meet half-way? Let me reinstate all the guys missing and hide them, so they're unseen. I get what I want. An accurate list and DJSasso gets what he wants. A roster that's nice and easy to reference from? I think deleting all these guys just to re-add them later (when called up) is ricockulous. Russ Jericho (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Nono I always intended for them to be hidden like this. I just removed them temporarily for this discussion so we could see what players were what. All I ever intended was for the visible players to only be the ones on the roster. I intended to readd them once we had come to a conclusion. -DJSasso (talk) 11:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- I would keep any unsigned draftees off the list (ie.. there's a 50 man contract limit and then there's the reserve list). I'm on the fence on any signed players that will slide in the juniors as well. TerminalPreppie (talk) 19:07, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't actually think there are any in this list, who are eligible to be sent back to junior. I think the only unsigned player on this roster right now is Lee Moffie, who needs to be signed by August, if memory serves. The Oilers have 46 contracts currently. Sam Gagner should be 47 once his arbitration hearing happens, that is, should the Oilers choose to sign him. Russ Jericho (talk) 19:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Nono I always intended for them to be hidden like this. I just removed them temporarily for this discussion so we could see what players were what. All I ever intended was for the visible players to only be the ones on the roster. I intended to readd them once we had come to a conclusion. -DJSasso (talk) 11:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, do you think we can kind meet half-way? Let me reinstate all the guys missing and hide them, so they're unseen. I get what I want. An accurate list and DJSasso gets what he wants. A roster that's nice and easy to reference from? I think deleting all these guys just to re-add them later (when called up) is ricockulous. Russ Jericho (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
- I have no problem having all those guys hidden. I do that over at the Flyers roster and I keep comments on where and when they went. TerminalPreppie (talk) 14:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
- During the season you might have a better case to argue that if the roster is out of date you can use another news article etc to show that a player was called up so you could update it. However, during the off-season the only source that is likely to exist with who the team considers on the roster is its website because any other source would just be speculating. We can do all the crystal balling we want but we can't guess at who will be on the roster come the season and add them to the roster. We need sources and right now the only source is the team and it is telling us their roster as they see it on their page. -DJSasso (talk) 19:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
- Alright, but what if the sources are wrong or outdated? What do we do then? Message the Oilers and ask them to update it, just to suit this place? I'd happily put money on Anton Lander being Edmonton's 4th line centre this coming season, but because he's listed on the "prospect" page, he's going to be left out of this template? I'm not throwing my toys out of my buggy, but I don't agree with it. I never have and I never will. I've never had any issue with seeing how many players on the template, because I edit this template all the time. It kind of feels like my baby, you know? I'm proud of the work I put into this, because I know it's accurate, even if the Oilers website is not. Russ Jericho (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
- I have no problem with hiding ones likely to be called up once the season starts. But I wouldn't add every single player they have under contract. Only removed them at this point to make it easier to see what we were dealing with. Ironically to make it easier to see what players we were dealing with and to avoid missing someone but in the end I did with Hamilton and Marincin which I have corrected. That all being said. Visibly the only players that should visibly show up on the roster are those that we can reference. Just like anything on wikipedia we don't go by what we "know" to be true we go by what the sources tell us. So we are obligated to go by the official roster put out by the team. -DJSasso (talk) 18:57, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't understand why the current revision has Curtis Hamilton and Martin Marincin (who haven't even played an NHL game with the Oilers) listed there, whilst completely and erroneously removing Anton Lander from here, unless that's some sort of mistake? Russ Jericho (talk) 18:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Carl Berglund
[edit]his hyperlink takes you to the wrong Carl Berglund’s article Cimi011 (talk) 14:53, 14 September 2023 (UTC)