Template talk:Notability

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

This template's intent[edit]

I think this is a valid template which is useful as a way of document and inform users – which is the whole purpose of templates in the first place – the fact that an article is currently lacking established in-article notability. It may not necessarily be a comment on whether the subject in general is notable. This is the spirit in which I have used this template, and it is unfortunate that I have been disallowed to use it, because I think it is a useful template. Lachlan Foley (talk) 04:02, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Subcategorising[edit]

Why doesn't this template add the articles into more specific subcategories? For example, when {{Notability|Company}} is used, the article should be added to Category:Company articles with topics of unclear notability. Is there any reason it doesn't do this? @Rich Farmbrough: who created the unused subcategories. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:39, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I believe there was opposition: not to the idea, but to me changing the template BOLDly. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:46, 3 June 2015 (UTC).

Athletics/athletes[edit]

Someone should change sports and athletics to sports and athletes... Obsuser (talk) 23:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Change "This article may not..." into "This article possibly does not...".[edit]

Like this template, we want to reduce ambiguity to minimum, and changing the current text into the suggested text would make the template's message sound more important. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 05:02, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Also, note that we do not need a comma in "reliable, secondary sources", which makes it sound like "reliable and secondary sources", meaning that we must add reliable sources regardless of whether they are primary, secondary, or tertiary and that we must secondary sources regardless of their reliability. Source is one noun, and secondary source is a noun phrase, so we must not treat the word as '"sources". Gamingforfun365 (talk) 05:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template.
I agree with removing the comma, but not the other change. Being a high visibility template about Wikipedia policy, it isn't trivial to change it, and I'd prefer to see some clear consensus before doing the work. Opening a discussion at wt:Notability#Template:Notability edit requestfredgandt 09:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
I agree the comma removal is fine, but I don't agree with the language change. It seems more diffuse than "may not". --MASEM (t) 17:54, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Yellow check.svg Partly done: Comma removed per request and agreement. I'll keep an eye on this for further discussion about the wording, and if consensus is reached in favour, I'll do what is agreed. fredgandt 00:20, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Find sources[edit]

Could someone change the template so that the "find sources" external link creates a search query that excludes parenthetical disambiguators.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It would be simple by changing {{find sources mainspace}} to {{find sources mainspace|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}}}. But the template is usually used on low-notability topics where searches may be swamped by irrelevant results. {{Title disambig text}} can select a disambiguator. How about using it as a separate part of the search? Compare these for Hate You (Daredevils song):
Find sources: "Hate You (Daredevils song)" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Hate You" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Hate You" "Daredevils song" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Hate You" Daredevils song – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
The last one without quotation marks on the disambiguator works well. I think that will often be the case. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I like the last one, I think it is the most useful in this context (considering that the presence of a disambiguator implies that there are going to be irrelevant results without it). Implemented something like {{find sources mainspace|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}|{{Title disambig text|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}? —  crh 23  (Talk) 11:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
We should also bear in mind that with some pages the text in parentheses is actually part of the title and not a disambiguator, e.g. Good Riddance (Time of Your Life). It would not be easy for a template or Lua module to determine which parenthesised terms are disambiguators and which are not. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Such titles are rare and the last method will still work well but probably a little worse than quoting the whole title:
Find sources: "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Good Riddance" Time of Your Life – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
In this example you may have to go far down in the search pages to see a difference. There could be an optional parameter to specify a search but maybe it would rarely be used. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
That sounds fair enough to me. The place to fix this is at Module:Find sources, for all source-finding templates. I'll have a look at this later on today. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, this is now implemented. There's an example at the current revision of Hate You (Daredevils song). — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)