Template talk:Notability

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Find sources[edit]

Could someone change the template so that the "find sources" external link creates a search query that excludes parenthetical disambiguators.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It would be simple by changing {{find sources mainspace}} to {{find sources mainspace|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}}}. But the template is usually used on low-notability topics where searches may be swamped by irrelevant results. {{Title disambig text}} can select a disambiguator. How about using it as a separate part of the search? Compare these for Hate You (Daredevils song):
Find sources: "Hate You (Daredevils song)" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Hate You" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Hate You" "Daredevils song" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Hate You" Daredevils song – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
The last one without quotation marks on the disambiguator works well. I think that will often be the case. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I like the last one, I think it is the most useful in this context (considering that the presence of a disambiguator implies that there are going to be irrelevant results without it). Implemented something like {{find sources mainspace|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}|{{Title disambig text|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}? —  crh 23  (Talk) 11:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
We should also bear in mind that with some pages the text in parentheses is actually part of the title and not a disambiguator, e.g. Good Riddance (Time of Your Life). It would not be easy for a template or Lua module to determine which parenthesised terms are disambiguators and which are not. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Such titles are rare and the last method will still work well but probably a little worse than quoting the whole title:
Find sources: "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
Find sources: "Good Riddance" Time of Your Life – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images
In this example you may have to go far down in the search pages to see a difference. There could be an optional parameter to specify a search but maybe it would rarely be used. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
That sounds fair enough to me. The place to fix this is at Module:Find sources, for all source-finding templates. I'll have a look at this later on today. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, this is now implemented. There's an example at the current revision of Hate You (Daredevils song). — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Subcategories by type[edit]

This template does not correctly put pages in the topic-specific subcategories of Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability, as the documentation claims. The subcategories are currently empty. Is this a broken template that needs to be fixed, or was there an agreement somewhere to no longer apply these subcategories (in which case the documentation is outdated)? —swpbT 15:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Whoa I wasn't even aware of the sub-categories. As far as I know, the template is only supposed to put in only inside the Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability. Do we really need the subcategories? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
I would find the subcategories useful, yes—as long as the pages also remain in the parent category. —swpbT 18:17, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
The page history [1] shows the system existed for a few days in February 2011. The revert refers to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive674#Violating of editing restrictions by Rich Farmbrough (again). PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so if we don't know why this subject category system was never completely implemented, would anyone be opposed to implementing it now? All pages will of course remain in Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability, they will just also be placed in the subject categories when such a parameter is provided. —swpbT 18:17, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Propose to implement sub-categorization by subject that was started and never finished[edit]

Per the above conversation, I propose that this template be modified to populate subject-specific subcategories of Articles with topics of unclear notability, using the currently supported unnamed arguments, in addition to its current populating of All articles with topics of unclear notability and the month categories. Exiting subject-specific subcategories of Articles with topics of unclear notability with supported arguments include:

More subject categories and arguments may be added later, I just want to get agreement first to enable the ones for which arguments are currently supported. —swpbT 15:06, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I came here to find these categories and was surprised to find they weren't functioning, so I'd defitely support this. (Please include Category:Academics articles with topics of unclear notability, though!) Joe Roe (talk) 19:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 October 2016[edit]

Please change the original code:
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to the following:
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The difference is "[[WP:Notability]]" to "[[WP:GNG]]" in the 9th line of the code.

😃 Target360YT 😃 (talk · contribs) 06:48, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Removed code. Per WP:TESTCASES, please place your suggestion in the template sandbox. I'll do so shortly — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 06:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Done, don't think this was controversial given the link text. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 07:02, 10 October 2016 (UTC)