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Recent property proposals (2018)[edit]

Due to the large # of recent property proposals, I'm deciding to keep track of them here, so that people can voice their yea/nay opinions. I'll go through them in the near future as I have in the past otherwise.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  23:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Under discussion[edit]
  1. eFloraSA id
  2. CETAF specimen ID
  3. ODNR Division of Wildlife ID
Recently created[edit]
  1.   Amphibian Species of the World ID (P5354)ID needs trimming
  2.   The Reptile Database ID (P5473)ID URLs need finagling to work
  3.   SeaLifeBase ID (P6018)English language; FishBase is a subset?
  4.   ECOS ID (P6030)Environmental Conservation Online System from U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service
  5.   CMS ID (P6033)Conservation of Migratory Species of Wild Animals under the aegis of the United Nations Environment Programme
  6.   Plant Finder ID (P6034)Missouri Botanical Garden - over 7,500 plants which are growing or have been grown in the Kemper Center display gardens (plus selected additions)
  7.   C.V. Starr Virtual Herbarium ID (P6035)NYBG, possibly worldwide
  8.   Australian Faunal Directory ID (P6039)Australian Faunal Directory - govt db with taxonomic and biological information on all animal species known to occur within Australia and its territories
  9.   BirdLife Australia ID (P6040)Result of the merger of Birds Australia and Bird Observation & Conservation Australia (BOCA)
  10.   FEIS ID (P6044)Fire Effects Information System - US only
  11.   MNHN taxon ID (P6046)English language default
  12.   Neotropical Birds ID (P6047)All bird species that regularly occur in the Neotropics, from Mexico and the Caribbean south to southernmost South America; Cornell University
  13.   New Zealand Birds Online ID (P6048)All 467 species of New Zealand birds, including all living, extinct, fossil, vagrant and introduced bird species
  14.   NOAA Fisheries Species Directory ID (P6049)US only
  15.   OSF Online ID (P6050)Orthoptera Species File - worldwide synonymic and taxonomic information
  16.   Cockroach Species File ID (P6052)About
  17.   Coreoidea Species File ID (P6053)About
  18.   Mantodea Species File ID (P6055)About
  19.   Red List of South African Plants ID (P6056)From The South African National Biodiversity Institute (SANBI)
  20.   AfroMoths ID (P6093)About
  21.   FLOW ID (P6096)Fulgoromorpha Lists On the Web
  22.   Michigan Flora ID (P6103)"an evolving illustrated companion to the Field Manual"
  23.   APA ID (P6137)Alabama Plant Atlas
  24.   Atlas of Florida Plants ID (P6159)About
  25.   NAS ID (P6163)United States Geological Survey's Nonindigenous Aquatic Species
  26.   EUNIS ID for species (P6177)European nature information system
  27.   SEINet ID (P6209)
  28.   Flora of Wisconsin ID (P6227)
  29.   Weeds in Ontario ID (P6285)
Orange question mark.svg  Parameter name is unclear, suggestions welcome:
  1. Orange question mark.svg  Species at Risk public registry ID (P6019)Canadian govt db to 'protect hundreds of wild plants and animal species from becoming extinct'
  2. Orange question mark.svg  Hymenoptera Online taxon ID (P6021)The Ohio State U's Hymenoptera+ db
  3. Orange question mark.svg  John J. Audubon's Birds of America ID (P6041)Drawings + descriptions
  4. Orange question mark.svg  Echinoid Directory ID (P6042)The Natural History Museum, London
  5. Orange question mark.svg  Global Raptor Information Network ID (P6045)Global Raptor Impact Network (GRIN); conflicting param name with Germplasm Resources Information Network
  6. Orange question mark.svg  Threatened Species Link ID (P6128)Tasmania's threatened species
  7. Orange question mark.svg  Virtual Guide to the Flora of Mongolia ID (P6139)English language
YesY Hidden by default (!English):
  1. YesYOiseaux.net ID (P6025)French language
  2. YesYEspèces Envahissantes Outre-mer ID (P6043)French language
  3. YesYGT IBMA ID (P6054)French language
  4. YesYFloraWeb ID (P6094)German language
  5. YesYDigital Flora of Central Africa ID (P6115)French language
  6. YesYVerspreidingsatlas.nl ID (P6142)Dutch language
Not done (do not appear useful):
  1. Info Flora ID (P6098)English language link doesn't work
  2. Sea Slug Forum ID (P6051)Scientifically useful?
  3. Status in the Red List of Threatened Species in the Czech Republic (P5841)IUCN property is good enough. We don't need 300 separate properties.
  4. Wild Herps ID (P6036)"This site is my combination life list, photo gallery, and notebook of reptile and amphibians (aka "herps")"...
Properties found via this Wikidata query, that aren't listed above nor in Module:Taxonbar/conf[edit]
  1.   Australasian Pollen and Spore Atlas Code (P2809)"the largest collection of pollen and spores information in the Australasian region"; linkable
  2.   NSW Flora ID (P3130)New South Wales Flora
  3.   Euring number (P3459)UK birds via the British Trust for Ornithology
  4.   Flora of Israel Online plant ID (P3795)Has an English language version
  5.   Guide to North American Birds ID (P4715)Looks ok; in English & Spanish
  6.   Ecocrop ID (P4753)UN worldwide(?) crop db
  7.   Fauna Europaea New ID (P4807)European fauna
  8.   Amphibians of India ID (P5003)English language
  9.   Global Invasive Species Database ID (P5626)English language
  10.   Invasive Species Compendium Datasheet ID (P5698)English language; worldwide
  11.   APNI ID (P5984)Australian Plant Name Index
  12.   Center for Biological Diversity ID (P6003)Flora & fauna worldwide
  13.   Systematic Catalog of Culicidae ID (P6057)English language
  14.   Plant Parasites of Europe ID (P6061)English; ID is excessively long & needs trimming
  15.   Map of Life ID (P6092)English language
  16.   Portal to the Flora of Italy ID (P6114)English/Italian language; native and alien Italian vascular plants
  17.   Invasive Plant Atlas of the United States ID (P6161)ok
  18.   Cal-IPC ID (P6176)California Invasive Plant Council
Orange question mark.svg  Parameter name is unclear, suggestions welcome:
  1. Orange question mark.svg  Indian Foundation for Butterflies ID (P4433)English language
  2. Orange question mark.svg  BTO Birds of Britain ID (P4798)General case of P3459 Euring #
  3. Orange question mark.svg  Hypericum MySpecies ID (P6028)English language
  4. Orange question mark.svg  Mushroom Observer ID (P6101)English language
  5. Orange question mark.svg  Observation.org ID (P6105)English language; global
YesY Hidden by default (!English):
  1. YesYTela Botanica ID (P3105)French language
  2. YesYNederlands Soortenregister ID (P3405)Dutch language
  3. YesYDORIS ID (P4630)French language
  4. YesYWiki Aves bird ID (P4664)Portuguese language; *has* English link, but it's not working
  5. YesYFloraCatalana ID (P5179)Catalan language; uses Google translate to translate...
  6. YesYCzech NDOP taxon ID (P5263)Czech language
Not done (do not appear useful):
  1. Bradley and Fletcher checklist number (P1743)UK moths; website appears to be broken
  2. Agassiz checklist number (P1744)also UK moths; not individually linkable, links only to a big list...
  3. German cattle breed ID (P2024)links only to a big list with no other information
  4. FAO 2007 genetic resource ID (P3380)Broken; based on Wikidata property examples, it doesn't appear useful anyway
  5. iNaturalist observation ID (P5683)Individual observations; use iNaturalist taxon ID (P3151) instead
  6. Enciclovida ID (P5864)No formatter URL available; Spanish language; related to CONABIO, which is currently hidden by default

Property proposals discussion[edit]

Is there a tool that can search all these databases at once, or are we just relying on SuccuBot? I can't even remember more than a 6-7 of these when i'm looking at a wikidata page, and WD only suggests a few. --Nessie (talk) 15:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Nessie, the above relies mostly on notifications from {{d:Ping project}}, but this is a more exhaustive Wikidata query for all Wikidata property to identify taxa (Q42396390), which I'll go through soon. If you know of any that are not in that query, but should be, please list them here.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  18:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Added 35 possibly-overlooked property IDs.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  20:22, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
These 3 stand out to me as ones that should be added ASAP (not sure how difficult it will be to get the first two working).
  1. Amphibian Species of the World ID (P5354)ID needs trimming
  2. The Reptile Database ID (P5473)ID URLs need finagling to work
  3. APNI ID (P5984)Australian Plant Name IndexPlantdrew (talk) 20:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 Done, with no modifications required to the main module. The only (small) issue is that The Reptile Database ID (P5473) values like genus=Xenodon&species=neuwiedii are truncated from the last =, so they display as neuwiedii. With a little bit of extra code, however, I can make it so both genus & species appear.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  18:16, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

GRIN parameter conflict[edit]

There is a param name conflict between

so 1 or both need to change if both are to be used by {{Taxonbar}}. My only suggestion would be using |GRIN-URL= & |GRIN-ID=, but this may be a confusing.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  20:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Species file parameter unification[edit]

There are a bunch of various species file IDs, some existing and some yet to be made. Any opinions on how to unify them?   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  23:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't *think* there are cases of overlap between Species Files, i.e. the possibility of two links to different Species File websites in one taxonbar, so would it be possible to just label them all in the taxonbar as "SpeciesFile"? —Hyperik talk 23:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
This wouldn't work b/c each species file uses slightly different URLs. There would have to be some form of detection, which is opening up a can of worms, let alone adding many lines of code and otherwise unnecessary Wikidata queries to the module to make 1 parameter work.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  15:58, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
The only species file property currently used by the module is Phasmida Species File ID (P4855) via |psf=, which is not a scalable naming convention, due to the imminent parameter name conflicts that will arise (i.e. Cockroach Species File ID (P6052) & Coreoidea Species File ID (P6053) above can't both be |csf=).
The available options that I see take the form of either:
  1. |coreoidea-species-file=
  2. |coreoidea-sf=
  3. |sf-Coreoidea=
  4. |species-file-coreoidea=
with or without hyphens/spaces, as long as they're consistent. Of course we can have aliases too, but ideally no more than 1 alias per species file. Does anyone have a preference?   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  19:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Will default to #1 otherwise, since it's the most straightforward.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:55, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
I decided on |Coreoidea Species File= since I wanted the param to match the display.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:45, 15 December 2018 (UTC)


iNaturalist taxon pages are already incorporated into the taxonbar with iNaturalist taxon ID (P3151). The other parameter, iNaturalist observation ID (P5683), is for individual observations, e.g. "user andrawaag saw Eutricha capensis in South Africa on July 24th, 2018"—iNaturalist observation ID = 14692339, which wouldn't be relevant for taxonbars. —Hyperik talk 23:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Parameter names[edit]

By "Parameter name is unclear, suggestions welcome" do you mean what it should be shortened to? A few I would suggest:

Hyperik talk 23:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

MiFlora would cause less confusion, but is still ambiguous with Minnesota & Missouri. |MichiganFlora= would solve that, but it is a little long.
Plant Finder ID (P6034) is the name of Missouri Botanical Garden's web search function, which only includes plants grown in their Kemper Center display gardens. So I don't think it deserved the the lofty, world-wide implications associated with "(The) Plant Finder".
SANBI I think is ok.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  15:46, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Minnesota Flora would be MNFlora.
MoBotPF? MoBot is a common abbreviation for the Missouri Botanical Garden. —Hyperik talk 16:01, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 Done.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  21:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Missouri would be MO, or FoM, for Flora of Missouri. "MoBot" alone could refer to any of their databases, e.g. Tropicos, eFloras.[1]Hyperik talk 21:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Ok, |MoBot= changed to |MoBotPF=.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  22:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Constraint to Category:Taxonbar pages without Wikidata taxon IDs[edit]

Category:Taxonbar pages without Wikidata taxon IDs was being added to pages where any one of the other |from#= parameters, an automatically added basionym, an automatically added original combination, or the main Wikidata item to the Wikipedia page, was devoid of taxon IDs. Now, the category only applies to the Wikidata item linked to the Wikipedia page. I can recover this lost functionality by creating a separate category (or categories) for ancillary QIDs which are missing taxon IDs, if there's an interest for it.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  23:12, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Assuming that part of the reason for the similar Category:Taxonbars on possible non-taxon pages is to make sure Wikidata is correct, I can see the prospective category serving a similar purpose. Though I bet many will be instances of "synonym" or other acceptable items. --Nessie (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that is the ultimate goal. I think the 2 cases can be generally distinguished by
There are on the order of 1000 that would be placed into the secondary cat.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 Done - all previous pages distributed.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  20:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Ichnotaxa and ootaxa[edit]

Do ichnotaxa and ootaxa get taxonbars? They have {{ichnobox}} and {{oobox}}, but don't really have their ranks in Wikidata. --Nessie (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

In principle, yes. In practice, probably not so much; Wikidata may not have any IDs for them. However Grallator is an ichnogenus with a taxonbar (IDs for Fossilworks and IRMNG); Tom.Reding added the taxonbar there, so I would assume he added taxonbars to any other ichno- and ootaxa that had IDs in Wikidata. Plantdrew (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Hmm, so on Wikidata Grallator is an "instance of ichnotaxon" with "taxon rank genus." Is that what is the best practice, or should we try more for "instance of fossil taxon" with "taxon rank ichnogenus?" --Nessie (talk) 02:43, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
I have minimal knowledge about this, so grain of salt here. But based solely on the numbers, there are currently only 56 uses of ichnotaxon (Q2568288) on Wikidata, and 59,626 uses of fossil taxon (Q23038290). From a practicality perspective, I don't think there is much Wikidata support for creating (for the sake of instance of (P31)) a mirrored set of ranks with 'ichno' appended to them (existence for the sake of interwikis notwithstanding). So I think the correct entry for Grallator (Q23691966) at this time would be instance of (P31) fossil taxon (Q23038290), and taxon rank (P105) genus (Q34740).
Whether or not instance of (P31) should be fossil taxon (Q23038290) or ichnotaxon (Q2568288) is a different story, and might be up for debate (I haven't looked for previous discussions anywhere). ichnotaxon (Q2568288) was created in January 2013 and has a dozen language sitelinks, while fossil taxon (Q23038290) was created in March 2016 with only 1 sitelink, which is just a redirect to a dab. Presumably, fossil taxon is easier/more intuitive to put into WD, but I don't know the background.
I did include {{Ichnobox}} & {{Oobox}} in my placement of {{Taxonbar}}, but only if the WD page contained at least 1 taxon ID. With all the tracking cat improvements since then, and to match its usage on the non-fossil side, {{Taxonbar}} should definitely be on all of them (will check for/do that tomorrow).   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  04:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree that any taxa that has taxon IDs would benefit from a {{taxonbar}}. I guess i was sorta more asking how we wanted to or should implement them with WikiData and all. I know there are a few maintenance categories that check pages with taxonbars for certain entries in Wikidata so didn't want to cause a flare up in one of those unnecessarily.--Nessie (talk) 12:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Wikidata seems to lack identifier data for a lot of fossil taxa. I'm surprised that fossilworks isn't more systematically included.   Jts1882 | talk  12:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Ichnotaxa and fossil taxa are not the same thing; Wikidata items for ichnotaxa should not be treated as instances of fossil taxon. Although ichnofossils are a subcategory of fossils, ichnotaxa are not a subcategory of fossil taxa, since the ICommissionZN doesn't accept ichnotaxa named after 1930 as taxa at all. The same applies to ootaxa. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:36, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
So in the example above, we would want instance of (P31) ichnotaxon (Q2568288), but then do we want taxon rank (P105) genus (Q34740) or do we need to create new ranks on Wikidata like ichnogenus? --Nessie (talk) 15:06, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, I'm not an expert in this area – Ashorocetus, Abyssal, Dr.Bastedo and Smith609 are some of the editors who worked in the area of ichno- and ootaxa, so are better placed than me to comment. The system we use here for ichno- and ootaxa uses completely separate ranks, as per {{Anglicise rank}}, and as far as I know, this is the correct approach. For example, the egg of an unknown extinct species may be placed in a particular ichnogenus, ichnofamily, etc., but when the species is identified, the animal itself will have its own quite separate genus, family, etc. Ichno- and oo-ranks are just convenient grouping methods; they don't have the phylogenetic implications of a real taxonomy, hence the description as "parataxonomy". Peter coxhead (talk) 15:49, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Ichnogenus and similar ranks are completely separate and parallel to regular genera. Abyssal (talk) 15:53, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Generally (I believe starting in 2008-ish) paleontologists try to make ootaxa that correlate to clades (though not necessarily of the corresponding rank), but this is usually not feasible so they are best thought of as separate. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 18:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)