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May 2020

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Hello, I'm David Tornheim. I noticed that you made an edit to a biography of a living person, Larry Andersen, but you didn’t support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. Wikipedia has a strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. --David Tornheim (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Information icon Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Marty Bystrom. Thank you. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Shane Rawley. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Echoedmyron: I looked more carefully into this editors' edits, and although they are unsourced, it appears the material being added is correct, e.g. Shane Rawley went to William Horlick H.S. and below. I saw above you said this edit did follow WP:MOS and could be controversial. I'm guessing you hit the wrong button on Twinkle?
Because it appears this editor is adding accurate material in good faith, I'm adding a welcome, but also advising s/he find WP:RS for future additions. --David Tornheim (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@David Tornheim: For what it's worth, I already tried the Welcome approach a couple of weeks ago, here. This editor has been editing under a series of IP addresses mostly since early May, predominantly adding information about what high schools subjects attended, plus other additions. At no time is the editor using edit summaries or adding sources; in some cases, information is being added mid-sentence where a source is already present, when the extant citation doesn't support the added content, such as here. (Note that the IP later restored that unsourced addition, again without adding a source, here.) Adding unsourced biographical details such as education to a biography is by definition controversial, no? At any rate, the only Twinkle warning related to unsourced additions to BLPs uses that phrasing, unless there's a version of Twinkle I don't know about. Regarding the Shane Rawley addition, the MOS comment was about MOS:SURNAME; I hadn't linked to it, but referring to people by their first name seems pretty obviously against style. Following around someone who continually adds details requiring cleanup and/or removal is a nuisance, hence my warnings posted here. Echoedmyron (talk) 16:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Echoedmyron: Thanks for explanation. I didn't realize you had seen behavior from the editor as an IP before. Yeah, Twinkle doesn't give as many options as I would like either. I wish the user would just listen and provide the sources. I hate to see a user who is trying to get accurate information in blocked, but that may be the only way to get them to add the sources after repeated warnings about adding unsourced contents. Most of vandals I have warned for not using a source were adding stuff that probably didn't exist in any WP:RS. --David Tornheim (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Echoedmyron: P.S. would you like me to put any of the articles these IPs are targetting on my watchlist to help you out? I don't follow baseball much, so no more than about 10 please. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@David Tornheim: No worries, and thanks for the offer. It seems to happen every few days or so that some articles that I happen to have on my watchlist get edited, but as for guessing which ones are due I can't say. The ones on my watchlist have mostly been baseball players who played in the 70s, but I haven't found a pattern to suggest in what order the IP approaches things. Echoedmyron (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@David Tornheim: Just as an update, since I originally showed the expanded range of edits from this IP range on May 31, this person has edited under 7 additional addresses in that range. Again, continuing to not use edit summaries; to not supply sources; to not respond to talk page templates whether of the welcome or warning variety. Any suggestions as to how to get this editor to follow procedures and make productive edits? Echoedmyron (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Echoedmyron: bring it to WP:AN/I with 4+ recent diffs and the 4+ or so diffs of the warnings. Of course the admins can just look at contribs and talk page and see it, but adding at least some diffs is always important to any WP:AN/I action. You could ask for short term block. I'll take a look in a sec at the recent diffs right now. --David Tornheim (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Echoedmyron: On second thought, if it is a bunch of accounts with similar geolocation, bring it to WP:SPI as a sockpuppet investigation. If you haven't filed one before I can help you with that. --David Tornheim (talk) 19:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And FYI, sometimes the same user logs in and a different IP address is assigned to them, so that it may not technically be a sock-puppet. I haven't figured out how to tell the difference, but experienced users at WP:SPI would know. Walter Görlitz is more experienced with IP addresses and ranges than I have and may have something useful to add to this. --David Tornheim (talk) 19:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@David Tornheim: Yeah, I don't think this editor is deliberately socking, or out of malice, but the complete absence of any engagement or change in behavior makes it impossible to really know. I'm reluctant to take it to SPI lest I be told it's a frivolous report, and I'm even wondering if a short term block is worth it. As you noted originally, there's some GF editing, they're just done completely improperly, including adding information to a sentence that already has a reference, when that addition isn't supported by that ref; they do this all the time. Echoedmyron (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

La Crosse Central High School

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Thanks for your edit to La Crosse Central High School. In the future, please be sure to include a reliable source. I have done so with this edit. Otherwise your edit is likely to be reverted. --David Tornheim (talk) 22:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your edits. Sorry if you might have gotten off on the wrong foot. As long as you back up your additions with WP:RS, your edits are likely to stick. I suggest reading up a little bit on our guidelines. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. FYI. I don't know much about baseball.  :) --David Tornheim (talk) 23:06, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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