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17:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Warning Users with Twinkle.

Hey AE, I found this IP user, 47.8.242.194 through the RTRC tool and most of his edits seemed to be unconstructive, and probably disrupting Wikipedia as well. I undid two of their edits that were evidently wrong but, I'm wondering what I should do as a vandal fighter. Should I report them? Or warn them? Hopefully, this also applies to my further knowledge and experience. By the way, thanks for the response on my Huggle help I actually got it to work again but I find the system quite useless since I can't rollback edits yet. Thanks. Yanjipy (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I did the right thing but I actually refreshed the IP's contribution page and began to see that he has made some useful and appreciated contributions. I went ahead and welcomed the user for their edits but I'm not so sure if I should have done that. Like you said be bold. Yanjipy (talk) 17:58, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@Yanjipy: No, the user is not vandalising Wikipedia. So let it go, no need to report. If you came across a vandal, revert their edits and leave them warnings (start from level 1, increase a level everytime). If they have been given the 4th warning and still vandalising, report them to WP:AIV using the way I’ve taught you before (how does it work). Note that long-term abuses MUST be reported and blocked ASAP, you will learn more about them as you deal with vandalism for a longer time. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 00:46, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see so when a user is vandalising you must warn them until they have received four warnings? (When I was reverting today, sometimes I skipped the warnings because I didn't realize it was important) Okay, so today I came accross another IP user who was blanking large content parts of a long Good Article. The user seemed to blank random sections and then reverted them back to normal. I wasn't sure of what exactly this type of behavior would be classified as but I assumed the user was possibly testing the page be he did this a numerous amount of times. I reverted one of his blankings and then Twinkle directed me to the users talk and I gave him a general warning about testing articles. What exactly was he doing and what was the right action to do? Thanks. Yanjipy (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) When you try to identify vandalism, you should ask yourself a question: is my revert improving Wikipedia? If no, then the user is not vandalising. Vandalism is deliberately making Wikipedia worse. Other problematic edits that does not fall into this category are disruptive edits. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 01:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Then you should leave edit test warnings. Blanking content and reverting it is editing test. No it’s not fixed that you should report after four warnings, but that will make use that the user is sufficiently warned. If the user still vandalise after the 4th warning, that means the user is deliberately making Wikipedia worse - vandalism, so you can report the user to AIV and they will enjoy their block. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 01:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

When to apply for roll back rights

Hello AE, today really turned out pretty good. I began to start getting the gist of fighting vandalism through RTRC and I have reverted numerous amounts of edits today and gave a few warnings (as I wasn't aware of the importance of warnings before). RTRC for me, is very inconvenient because I have to click the article, then click View History then click on the user's edit diff and prev and then reverted what they did through Twinkle. I've been browsing through Huggle and I'd like to use it hopefully sometime soon. However, in order to use it's reverting features I assume that I need roll back rights as you have said in the past. I read WP: Rollback and I looked at the request for Rollback rights page and looked at the various amounts of application who tried requesting for roll back rights. Now, with my previous block history, in two weeks let's say, if I were to request the roll back rights what do you think my chances of getting approved would be? (If I continue to revert vandalism throughout these days consistently). Cheers. Yanjipy (talk) 01:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

You can apply for rollback rights after you have built a meausurable track record of vandalism-fighting edit history which is not problematic. What I mean by "not problematic" is your edit history shows that you have a good understanding of what is vandalism and what is not. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 01:19, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Shen Xue date format

Hello, I do not understand why you reverted my edit on Shen Xue's page. I changed dates from an American format to the international one, which I thought was correct as she is Chinese. Also, the WP:INTDATE page says "Date formatting should be consistent within an article" – my edit made hers consistent and now it no longer is (the international format is already in place for her daughter's D.O.B. in the "Personal life" section, and all dates in the "List of world record scores set by Shen/Zhao" and "Detailed results" sections). Thank you. —Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I explained in my edit summary clearly. However, since your justification is good, so nvm :) ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 03:44, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Error in reverting my Black Company edit

I made an edit on the Black Company page to update the release date of the forthcoming novel Port of Shadows. The old date given was September 25th, but the publisher has since moved it forward to the 11th. The current and correct information can be found in the publisher's website https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250174574 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riakm (talk • contribs) 03:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Self reverted. Good call, but please don’t use all caps per WP:ALLCAPS. Such edits may be falsely identified as vandalism (although it is clearly not in this case ) ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 14:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Changes to Christ's Hospital Sexual Abuse section.

Dear AE,

Thank you for your message. I was the victim of James Andrew Husband. The indecent assaults that he was convicted on were when I was between 14 and 15, still under the age of consent in the law (and believe me, there was no consent to any of it). The rape that he was convicted of was when I was 16 years old. The were other rapes, but this is the only one that he has actually been convicted for. The age is an important distinction because as I was over 16 (by 9 days) while it was still rape, it was not rape of a minor (i.e. child) in the eyes of the law. I think the whole section on sexual abuse is terrible enough reading and I would not like any legal inaccuracies to be the reason for the school or others to demand that it is removed, or claim that it is incorrect as in all other areas it is 100% accurate. This is why I changed the age from 15 to 16.

The Chaplain, Father Gary Dobbie, knew that Husband was abusing me right from the beginning. He did indeed abuse me later himself, and he has been convicted of indecent assault for that abuse. There was some confusion in the press because I disclosed all the abuse to a totally different chaplain, Kate Powell. She did nothing at all about it and had to answer for her silence in court, where she came up with some waffle about Dobbie being her superior...

AE, if you have put together the section on sexual abuse on the Christ's Hospital web site then you have done an enormous service to me, to the other victims, and to the many ex-pupils who were disgusted to find out what had been going on at their school. I am very, very grateful to you for the time you took to write the section. What you wrote is a totally accurate representation of what was in the press, it's just that what was in the press was inaccurate and I think these corrections are important - let us retain the high ground.

I hope that this is helpful and gives you the information that you need that explains why I made the changes that seem minor but are legally important. Sorry if this message is too long, I have never changed anything on Wikipedia before and I am new to the processes.

Again - if you took the time to put together this section on the Christ's Hospital page then I applaud you and I know many, many others do too. Thank you so much.

Best wishes, Joanthecat (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

VS Naipaul article

Hello Abel, I wanted to know why may change to VS Naipaul’s article was removed? The article clearly states that he was born and educated in Trinidad, published books in Trinidad and then moved to the UK in his adult years where he continued to publish. In the UK, we have dual citizenship. He would therefore be Trinidadian-British. He has been and continues to be very well known in Trinidad, in fact, a mascot for Trinidad - and although a very controversial figure, is considered to be Trinidadian. I am not sure why the article wishes to deny his dual citizenship and paint him as simply British especially as the first few lines of the article would be visible to the google public. This is quite misleading and does not capture the cultural context of his viewpoints. Thanks once again. Milashi (talk) 08:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Do you have a source that directly says he's Trinidadian? If yes, then you need to cite it. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 08:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Correction: I have self-reverted. It is covered by sources. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 08:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Kurt Dreyer

Hello AE.

I recently made changes to Kurt Dreyer's webpage, adding in some information about his wife and children, and those were reverted. Kurt is my great grandfather. Please let me know why those changes were reverted.

Thanks 58.173.98.124 (talk) 08:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Because you didn't provide reliable sources. Here are reasons why.
For information on referencing citations in Wikipedia articles, see Help:Footnotes, Wikipedia:Inline citation, and Help:Referencing for beginners.
~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 08:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Kurt Dreyer

OK. I don't have any websites but I do have a hard copy of the original birth certificates and marriage certificate. Could I upload those?

Thanks 58.173.98.124 (talk) 08:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

No you don't need to upload those. You just need to insert the document information such as the publisher, publish date, author and stuff. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 08:26, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Please stop reverting edits

Can you please stop reverting the edits? Just trust me Hansthewiki (talk) 14:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Bhai Mani Singh

The credible source is our family, he is our 14th Great Grandfather, we have books proving these things, that are translated. I really do not appreciate you, erasing things that are being changed my others, I’m merely reverting what keeps getting erased, people are trying to change our family history. We are not okay with that. Gurugranthgurupanth (talk) 03:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Gurugranthgurupanth: Verifiability is one of the most important policy in Wikipedia. All content here must be supported by reliable sources or they will be removed. Since you have a close relationship with it, I suggest you to read WP:COI and follow the procedures there. Btw, the thank notification of this message is a misclick. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 03:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

What's the difference between reverting edits with Twinkle and having Rollback rights?

Hi AE, I have another question about what the differences are when you are granted rollback rights on WP rather than rollbacking edits in general. I could not find my answer on WP:Rollback rights so I'm here to ask the expert. Thanks. Yanjipy (talk) 01:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yanjipy: There will be an extra button that appears next to the undo button (in edit history). When you click that button once, then you will rollback all edits by the user. In mobile web view, there will be a notice asking you to confirm such action to prevent fat fingers misclicking the rollback button. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 01:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Generally, if you are not granted rollback, you cannot perform rollback. Twinkle’s rollback is actually undo, not real rollback. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 01:40, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks again, AE. Yanjipy (talk) 20:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Thank you so much AE for your help so far. With your mentorship, I have came a long way from being a "disrupting " editor to a vandal fighter, and an okay contributor. I couldn't have thanked you more. Yanjipy (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome. It's a good start, but there's still a long way to go. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 23:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

About lions

You are making a mistake so i let you know. Central African lion, Asiatic lion and West African lion are one subspecies not a group. North African lion (Barbary lion) is Sensu scrito so it should not be redirected to Northen lion. Lion is a species that include two subspecies: P. l. leo and P. l. melanochaita, and this subspecies are not a group! Please redirect it there because I cannot. Central African lion is also redirected there so West African lion must be redirected there. Ask Leo1Pard for more!1 Punetor i Rregullt5 (talk) 05:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Please explain your revert of edits on Columbia University

You reverted a series of clean-up edits on the Columbia University page for no given or justified reason. Please provide justification for this reckless editing behavior. Thank you. Hellishscrubber (talk) 09:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

No I did not revert "a series" of edits. I just reverted two, and I believe it's a Huggle misfire and have undone it just now. Making one minor mistake is not a reckless editing behavior. Btw, editing warring is a reckless editing behavior. WP:AN3 Regards ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Trump Talk page

My edit is on topic and completely legitimate. To say that others posting that Trump should be classified as a "racist" is legit but me posting that he should be classified as a race realist is disruptive is censorship and bias of the highest order.107.77.221.160 (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

IP blocked. Acroterion (talk) 11:51, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Deleted edits in XTools?

Hey AE, I've been using XTools alot to view my edit summaries and other article summaries and I find it to be a very useful website. On my page for the website it seems like there is a section called "Deleted Edits". Apparently I have 23 deleted edits but I know that I had many more edits undone before. What are thryand why can't you see them? Yanjipy (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yanjipy: Deleted edits are edits made to a page which was deleted. You cannot view them since you cannot view the edit history or content of a deleted page. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (alt) (talk to me) 01:14, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Yanjipy (talk) 03:17, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

That wasn't a non-constructive edit.

You should thoroughly check before making an accusation like this. Nishkarsh1 (talk) 08:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Cumulative warnings?

Hey AE, I've been cleaning up vandalism today and I've been warning users (the general vandalism and warning process). I have a question, and that is; Do warnings expire over a certain amount of time (like a month) or are they cumulative throughout their "editing lives"? Thanks. Yanjipy (talk) 01:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Warnings do not "expire" after some time. The headings (e.g. August 2018) are just for other's information. If the user still vandalises or removes content without explanation after the 4th warning in the same month or in a short period of time (a week?), then they can be reported at WP:AIV or WP:ANI. Even if the user repents and stop being disruptive, the warnings still exists! However, since the user is willing to change their editing behavior, they may not be further templated. You have been templated (and blocked) a few weeks ago, but you have tried to learn and improve, so I will not template you (perhaps, by now). Instead, I will leave a note written in my own words to remind you sth you've done wrong or "less-than-ideal". ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 05:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Creating Userboxes and furthur questions

Hey AE, I have a question about how to create userboxes.Is there also a guideline for that? Also, I see that is user pages, and some tempates they have this thing where you can click [Show] and a drop down appears. You also have it on your user page. What is that and what is the code for that. (Pardon my grammar as I'm currently typing on a tablet). Thanks. Yanjipy (talk) 03:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Regarding the design of userboxes, you can visit WP:USERBOX.
The drop down box is actually a collapse box. You can use {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}} for it. You can put whatever you want in the middle of the two templates. Btw I am taking a short wikibreak until late August, so I may not reply to your messages ASAP. If you have any problems, you may ask Ian.thomson, Mz7, Ritchie333 or any active administrators in this list. They will be happy to lend you a hand. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 05:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #326

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This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2018-08-20.

  • Development
    • Show Senses in WhatLinksHere (phab:T200980)
    • Build ability to remove Senses (phab:T196283)
    • Reference a Sense in a statement (phab:T196263)
    • Improve the language code check for Lexemes (phab:T198202)
    • Prepare item/property link formatter that uses cache instead of wb_terms DB table (phab:T201831)
    • More work on merging Lexemes (phab:T198104)
    • Showing the Lemma or Representation when Lexemes or Forms are mentioned in constraint reports (phab:T195315)
    • Add new monolingual language codes: uga (Ugaritic), rar (Rarotongan), gmy (Mycenean Greek), mnw (Mon), mid (Modern Mandaic), haz (Hazaragi)
    • Fix a bug on the Query Service interface (phab:T201951)
    • Add number of results in embed map view of the Query Service (phab:T201908)

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16:46, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi I am interested in being 'adopted' by you. Apparently, I am a 'rude' and 'uncollaborative' editor (according to an admin) so I have to 'change my ways' otherwise I will be booted from here. I need help in recent change patrolling so that I can refine my skills enough to be granted rollback in a month or in two months (I have studied the Wikipedia space article on rollback for like 3 weeks for hours each day to get ready for if I do get it). In particular, I need help in knowing when to tag an edit as 'good faith' when using Twinkle. I also may need help in CSD and PROD tagging since I tend to be stuck in those areas on occasion. So you can look at my entire edit history and point out specific areas for me to improve in and how to improve in them so I can be trusted with more rights in a month or in a months time. (I try hard to be good). Thank you. JC7V-constructive zone 21:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism
@JC7V7DC5768: Hi I am fine with adopting you. Incidentally, Yanjipy is also being adopted by me.
My advice to you for your rudeness is try to keep cool and control your temper. When someone criticises (or reminds) you for what you've done wrong, just take them to your heart, remember and learn from them, apologise if needed (this makes you a better person), work to improve your editing and avoid future issues. Don't let the words frustrate you or you will continue to be rude. Politeness is important here, especially to newcomers.
Remember that all editors here are build the encyclopedia, so collaboration is needed. RCPing also requires collaboration (e.g. you report vandals and administrators block them). If an admin or experienced editor tells you not to do something, then don't do it. They have more experience and better judgement.
I usually tag edits adding unsourced content (but factually correct) or other minor WP:MOS mistakes (such as moving the period after the reference which is "wrong" according to WP:CITEFOOT) as good-faith edits. I've looked at your recent edit history, and I think you should read WP:VANDTYPES, WP:PASG and WP:IDT. You need to have a better understanding of what vandalism is or is not.
I use Huggle mainly and sometimes Twinkle for maintenance. You can see patrol recent changes in Huggle easier than using Wikipedia’s recent change feed since you can directly see the diff. However, in order to "use" Huggle, you need to have rollback flag which you don’t have now, but you can still use read-only mode. After you spot a unconstructive edit, you can open the browser and revert it. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 03:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
A useful stalk
Ok thanks for the adoption. If you see me doing anything that I shouldn't or anything that isn't correct, don't hesitate to correct me and I will work hard to change it. I've read those links you gave me about vandalism spotting (I also read Mz7's essay about what Vandalism is not). I will also use AGF more. Also I will work on less customized talk page warnings (don't want to go off the deepe end) Happy editing. JC7V-constructive zone 04:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I'll add your page to my watchlist. Maybe you should add mine to your watchlist too? ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:58, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I know you can watch pages, but you can watch editor contributions too?? How would I do that?? JC7V-constructive zone 05:21, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
You can't. If you really want to stalk other's edits, just visit their contributions :) ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 05:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

RC help

What would you do with this edit (revert?? let it stand??,) and how would you identify it? (vandalism, non neutral, dispurtive editing, commentary? something else)???

I will identify it as vandalism. Revert (using rollback) and warned. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 05:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

GLOW Eindhoven

Hi, I have edited the text about Festival a number of times but it keeps on showing the old, incorrect text :-( — Preceding unsigned comment added by GLOWEindhoven (talk • contribs) 07:50, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

@GLOWEindhoven: Hello. Please review WP:COI. Conflict of interest editing is strongly discouraged. Also, all content in Wikipedia must be written based on reliable sources. The relevant policy is WP:V. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 07:59, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Flag icons in human settlement or administrative subdivision articles

Please note that WP:INFOBOXFLAG explicitly allows usage of flag icons in articles about human settlements like cities and administrative subdivisions. I'm leaving a note here as you have previously removed the flag icons from Bangalore and Madhya Pradesh by quoting WP:INFOBOXFLAG. —Gazoth (talk) 08:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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