User talk:Abigailgem

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A Fairly Honourable Defeat[edit]

The article you wrote, A Fairly Honourable Defeat, is uncategorized. Please help improve it by adding it to one or more categories, so it may be associated with related articles. A stub marker or other template doesn't count - please put in an actual category in the article.Eli Falk 21:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome. AFHD now has three categories. I am looking around to find what to do about putting on the article a picture of the cover of the book. I may yet ask you about this, though I will explore a bit first to see if I can find out myselfAbigailgem 14:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Amina Araf[edit]

Thanks for taking on the edits. They can still be removed if that's the best decision. This hoax was a big stunt, but just because it was fake doesn't mean the content of the hoax was not part of the story. It's already been reported on extensively and the published words already had some effect. In short, just because the event turned out to a dud doesn't mean the article has to follow suit. What is most important is that the phrasing matches reality. So we have to make clear to distinguish between the character and the fake person, and the true author (Tom MacMaster) and his creation. I think we can do this with some clever phrasing. There's a good talk page post linking to similar internet hoax articles. I'm going to check them out. See what you think. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 16:35, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Word choice

Hi, I saw your edits with 'claimed' and 'purportedly'. Although used commonly in scholarly writing, we try and avoid them since they don't clearly state what happened and who said it and what they meant. We try and spell it out to make sure it's clear Wikipedia isn't doubting them. This is explained in our guideline, WP:Words to avoid. Please take a look at it and consider rephrasing your edits. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 13:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I think that this is one of the exceptions to the guideline. In this case, after the apology from MacMaster, we know that Amina does not exist, and that her cousin does not exist either. There was a claim on the blog that the blogger had been abducted. I agree that the words "claim" or "purport" indicate that the claim is false, but then it was. Before, the word "reported" was used, rather than "claimed", which could indicate some doubt where there is none. So I think "claimed" is more accurate. Before, it read "a person who introduced herself as Amina's cousin", where if Froelicher's denials are to be believed, the author of that post was almost certainly male. So I think in this case "purported" is more accurate. I would not revert if you deleted my edits, but I prefer the wording I used. WP:ALLEGED is I think more relevant where there is still some dispute. Here we know that there was a hoax, that was the heading for the blog last time I looked. I would not write "falsely claimed" because that becomes judgmental, possibly not NPOV, but I think "claimed" where there is a falsehood is accurate. Abigailgem (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I think I understand what you meant--the Gay Girl in Damascus blog has been changed and you want to link to an archived copy of it or a blog describing how it has changed. Also, you think someone is now impersonating MacMaster and we should make that known. Simply, we use the sources we have and the sources that are published. If you can find a news article or reliable blog (there are few) which covers this twist we could include it. Otherwise it's generally considered original research. We cover the historical record of what the blog contained fairly well already, and it is covered in the many sources at the article. As for its current state, we could possibly use the blog itself as a source, but it would have to be very limited, since we don't have a secondary perspective on the changes to the blog. As for a MacMaster impersonator, we definitely need a source. We won't add or address speculation without one. I'll take a look at the blog and the article and see what options I can think of. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 00:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the impersonation is a serious suggestion. However, at the moment we have a link to the blog, but no indication that it has been changed. I do not think the link to the blog should be left without making this clear. Could an older version be stored on Wikipedia? Abigailgem (talk) 07:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm still not sure exactly what you mean about the blog. It still has all of the old posts up until June 6. On June 13 there is the 'apology' post. The only post that changed is he took down the 'she was abducted' post between June 6 and 13. Is that what you mean? You want to provide a link to that post? Even though the post has been taken down, we still report about it extensively. There's no doubt left to the reader that the post happened. I suppose we could mention that it was removed and link to an archived version of we can find it... Ocaasi t | c 10:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Anytime :) - I think that if this guy is MacMaster, he needs to make it clear "I am MacMaster" for all of his Ips/accounts, and also to refrain from making legal threats. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:33, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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Alex Salmond Page[edit]

Hi, I have just added a section about word choice to the Alex Salmond Talk page. From a quick glance down the page history I see you have contributed to the page in the recent past. The contribution concerns a matter of word choice but I do not think I am able to make the change due to the semi-protect status afforded to the page. I wonder if you could take a look or mabye even make the change yourself. Thanks EarlBelhaven (talk) 15:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I would not object to the edit, but to me "term" means a fixed term, and I do not think it is an improvement. "Period" works even less well. I will think on it. Abigailgem (talk) 16:11, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

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I consider that Premises registration should be a separate article from Premises. While it may be useful to have an article to define the word "premises", there is a vast area of law applicable to premises, already dealt with under Tort, Land law etc. So the Premises article should not be expanded to describe these things, but refer to the other articles.

It may be that Premises registration is a term of art for US provisions, which could be dealt with under a more international heading: there is also an article on Animal By-Products Regulations which applies to disposal of carcasses in the UK.

Can I make Premises registration a separate article?

How would I do that? Abigailgem (talk) 09:35, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we don't have anything fancy for that, and the manual way to do it is rather cumbersome. What you can do best at the moment, is expand the section on Premises, until there is enough there to warrant a stand alone article. Once that is there, we'll get to copying it over. Because it is all manual, there is a lot of work in getting the attribution chain unbroken (any article needs to have a complete history of who did what for our license), so that's a bit of a PITA. It might be a good idea to pop in to the IRC help channel, and we can help you out interactively, rather than through talk page messages, which is a bit cumbersome. If you have any more questions, just ask, or, if I failt o keep an eye on it, just re-enable the help me template. Below, I'm going to drop a boilerplate invitation for the teahouse, which is also a good venue to ask any questions. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:54, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding this, you were right, and I apologize. Tarc (talk) 00:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


There is a Wikipedia world, of Deletionists and Inclusionists, of essays and policies and pillars and getting things done according to the wikipedia way, which includes non-discrimination and ways of building respect and co-operation such as Assume Good Faith, and I really do not want to get into it. Blogging is my way of conversing over the internet. "Simpering and whining"- well, yes, actually, here now, too- Ach. Go well. Abigailgem (talk) 10:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


I can not believe that you made this edit. I am sure that you think you were just tidying up an article, and you didn't intend to be destructive. However, in the process you removed a huge amount of useful information, as well as citations and links, which was destructive. If you had cut and pasted it to another article, I would understand. However, you just cut it out. I hope that you did not intend to remove legal citations from the whole website. To fix this problem, I am going to cut and paste eveything you removed and place it into the Duty of care. Please don't remove material, especially properly cited information, without putting it somewhere. Bearian (talk) 21:37, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

On further thought, I created another article at Premises liability, which I had created in 2007 as a redirect. Bearian (talk) 22:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
You see I think the information was elsewhere, eg under Land Law, though not in the same order. I don't think Premises deserves a separate article, except to show the etymology of the word. The English term is Occupiers' liability for what you call "Premises liability". So your article is a US article, with confused references to other common law jurisdictions. I think it would be better as a US law article, with references to articles on the law of other jurisdictions. I doubt "Premises liability" has ever been a term of art in England. If you want an article covering the law worldwide, "liability of occupiers of premises" would be a better title. I rarely rewrite to such an extent. Abigailgem (talk) 22:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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Please help me with user Duedemagistris. S/he has made a number of edits of the page A Gay Girl in Damascus removing matter which criticised the hoaxer Tom MacMaster who created the character Amina. S/he has also edited the page MacMaster. User Joatsimeon previously edited the A Gay Girl in Damascus page, to remove criticism of Tom MacMaster, and was found to have a conflict of interest. I suspect that Duedmagestris is Tom MacMaster, again, trying to make his hoax appear in a less bad light. I would like this editor removed, and his edits of A Gay Girl in Damascus reversed: I will do the edits, but have never been very active here, and not active here at all for some time; I want to avoid an edit war and discuss what evidence might show Duedemagistris to have a conflict. Here is the report on Joatsimeon:

Abigailgem (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps opening a new section on the article talk page, aiming to gain consensus on the addition of new material, could be reasonable. Writing a good question on the addition of new material may take 20-30 minutes. The consensus seeking discussion may take several days. --Gryllida 03:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
What I want to achieve is the revelation of the sockpuppet self-editing in his own interests and against NPOV, and the removal of the sockpuppet. Possibly MacMaster will continue to try; but a failure five years later might make him give up. And, it's the principle of the thing.
You continue to add unsourced and untrue information to said article. Why is defamation of MacMaster so important to you? Why do you care? And why add obvious personal attacks over and over to articles? Duedemagistris (talk) 10:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I care because I suspect you have some link to Tom MacMaster. Have you? Abigailgem (talk) 11:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
AFAIK to open a new SPI you make a new section of the page of the original SPI case: Click here to make a new report - I'll be happy to look at any particular SPI evidence and I can give feedback on whether I think it's him. Usually there's a pattern of edits, and if the pattern's the same an SP is likely WhisperToMe (talk) 10:52, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I have opened the new SPI. It might be worth checking the page for other vandalism, but I think several editors have thwarted vandalism before. Abigailgem (talk) 11:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I would suggest adding any talk page comments which you think fit the pattern of the previous Joatsimeon stuff and/or any of the other things I uncovered back in 2011. If the comments sound similar you can reference the 2011 ones and the 2016 ones to show this WhisperToMe (talk) 11:32, 13 December 2016 (UTC)