User talk:Ahumanbean

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Teen Challenge. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. cOrneLlrOckEy 03:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of talk page comments[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Teen Challenge, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --Onorem♠Dil 13:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.
Feel free to reply with your arguments, but don't change the comments which have been left by other editors. --Onorem♠Dil 14:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, you will be blocked for vandalism. --Onorem♠Dil 14:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits[edit]

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

copyright[edit]

rather than clog up the Teen Challenge talk page any more- thought this might be useful [1] and this [2]. Sometimes it's tricky to get your head around this stuff, but it prevents Wikipedia appearing to claim words as it's own. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 02:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

arbitration request[edit]

I have requested arbitration regarding your/ our edit warring. please make your position known at [3]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WotherspoonSmith (talk • contribs) 04:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning[edit]

Your recent revert at Teen Challenge restored copyrighted material copied verbatim from here; please be more careful in the future. --ElKevbo (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. --ElKevbo (talk) 02:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 3 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for disruptive editing and copyright violations. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Kralizec! (talk) 02:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Ahumanbean (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The editors are ignoring the talk page comments that clearly state why this is not copywrighted material. Teen Challenge is not the author and makes no claim of copyright. The real disruptive editing is being done by ElKevbo. It is interesting that I get blocked when he is the one ignoring the talk page and editing anything he disagrees with.

Decline reason:

The added material is clearly copied from another source. Additionally, an author does not actually have to claim a copyright for it to exist; copyright exists from the moment of creation in a reproducable form. On the contrary, all material not expressly released from copyright is always considered copyright be default. But that is no matter. The real issue is your repeated attempts to re-insert material that is being objected to by multiple other users. Regardless of why they object, you should not re-add it unless consensus exists to do so. Consensus does not exist, and you were clearly edit warring in this case. — Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Ahumanbean (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The edit war was not on my part. It was on the part of ElKevbo. Her ignored the talk pages. The material is not copyrighted because it is not authored by the web page owners. I will call Teen Challenge USA because you do not seem to understand the ownership of the material. I was working toward rewrittig the material, but instead ElKevbo was deleting it and putting in unsupported biased information. ElKebo also has put in unsupported material and refused to leave it out. For example: According to a 2001 New York Times item [7], social scientists state the 86 percent success rate of Teen Challenge is misleading, as it does not count the people who dropped out during the program, and that, like many voluntary NGO's, Teen Challenge picks its clients. The linked article does not say anything in regards to the social scientist belief in the success rate.

Decline reason:

It's still copyrighted. It doesn't really matter who wrote it - as stated below, unless expressly released, we can't use it. Also, it doesn't matter who started the edit war, and I really don't care. You participated, so you got blocked. — Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I will not act directly on the above unblock request since I responded to an earlier on. However, I cannot let the basic misunderstanding of copyright go un commented on. Who cares if the website authors themselves did not write the material. Unless we have the proof that the person who wrote the material has expressly liscenced the material under GFDL or released it into the public domain, copyright is assumed to exist. You don't need to know WHO holds the copyright on the material; indeed if you don't know, you must, under the law, assume the most conservative view which is that it has NOT been released for free copying, and thus cannot be copied. That is how copyright works. In absense of proof otherwise, all material is held to be copyright by the person who created it, and such rights exist from the moment of creation. You don't have to know who created it, indeed if you don't know who created it you can't prove you have a legal right to copy it... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sorry that you were blocked but much of the material is indeed copied verbatim from the cited source. I started a section on this specific topic several hours ago on the article's Talk page and I welcome you to join the discussion there. --ElKevbo (talk) 03:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion has been going on for some time and this is not copyrighted material. You did not start anything because this has been under discussion for some time. You need to be blocked for ignoring the talk page and removing anything you disagree with.

NYT article[edit]

I remain puzzled by your behavior and assertions. The NYT article specifically states on page 2: "Social scientists have pointed out that the 86 percent success rate of Teen Challenge is misleading. It does not count the people who dropped out during the program. And like many religious and private charities, Teen Challenge picks its clients." I don't know how much more clear a citation and quote one can find.

And please note that I had nothing to do with adding the material to the article; I merely read the cited article after you challenged the accuracy of the text. --ElKevbo (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]