User talk:AzaToth/Archive October 2007

Using Twinkle as an API

First off, I'd like to say that I'm a huge fan of the Twinkle collection of scripts. I think you've done an amazing job in creating a tool to help speed up maintenance and improve quality of Wikipedia. That said, I've always felt like there was something missing. Twinkle makes handling common maintenance tasks and vandalism easy, but what about the friendlier end of the scale? After studying the Twinkle source, I've begun creating (what will hopefully be) a collection of scripts to handle common supportive and collaborative, generally friendly, Wikipedia tasks. Not surprisingly, I call it Friendly! Currently I'm working on user space functionality, such as welcomes, barnstars, etc, but I hope to extend into article space as well to help automate tasks such as cleanup tagging. Have a look if you like, but mostly I just wanted to make sure it was alright with you if I use Twinkle as sort of an API for this development. Thanks! --Ioeth _{(talk contribs)} 13:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, on a sidenote, it currently only works if you're already running at least one piece of Twinkle. I'm curious if importing morebits.js in friendly.js would cause any problems if you're using both Twinkle and Friendly? --Ioeth _{(talk contribs)} 13:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

as marebits.js is more of a library, it shouldn't be much of a problem. Remember that morebits.js is not a part of twinkle, though at the moment, only twinkle have used it :) It's meant to be possible to use morebits.js without twinkle. _→AzaToth 14:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

That's perfect for me, though, that morebits.js is more of a library. I'm essentially using the core Twinkle scripts as examples for writing these Friendly scripts...not actually using any of the code from them. Thanks for the reply! --Ioeth _{(talk contribs)} 15:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Question book-4.svg

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Question book-4.svg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI 16:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle bug

Was just using Twinkle and tried to request unprotection for Bay of Bengal - but it placed the request for unprotection in Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for protection instead of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for unprotection, under the wrong heading. (Diff here.) Also note it puts a "." instead of a space at the end of the submitted comment, unlike in automated AfD submissions, which leads to slightly odd formatted requests. Minor bugs, but thought you might be interested to know. :) Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 14:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Jag tackar

Just wanted to say thanks, on what a great tool Twinkle is. I have only just started using it, but it has already seriously speeded up some of the more boring tasks I do. John Hayes^talk 09:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

warn

the warning tab just recently disappeared and will no longer show up again--AFUSCO 23:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Same problem. Was it maybe this [1] edit? Into The Fray ^T/C 23:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought that too but i thought i should bring it up here--AFUSCO 23:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

just informing all with the same problem i have that it was the edit linked above and on this page is twinkle without the twinklewarn edit--AFUSCO 00:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Why was it deleted with no kind of warning or explanation? -- ALLSTAR ECHO 08:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, the extra right bracket at line 667 may be the issue.--SarekOfVulcan 12:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Or the missing commas around uw-tempabuse around line 654...--SarekOfVulcan 12:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, I was syncing it yesterdat, but didn't test it, me was tierd, went to bed, fixing it asap. _→AzaToth 13:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it, TWINKLE is a great tool Y4kk 13:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For all of your hard work with Twinkle and making it so obvious how much we'd miss it if it were gone! -- ALLSTAR ECHO 20:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Ditto that strongly. :)--SarekOfVulcan 23:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

As do I. Largely unrecognized, it seems. We come here to complain when it's broken, but . . . Anyway, thanks for all that you do. Into The Fray ^T/C 23:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:pastACID

Hi, I see your name on the history for Template:pastACID, so I'll direct this question to you. On Talk:ancient Egypt our ACID was in 2006, which is the parameter that was entered into the template on the talk page, but the banner says 2007. How do we fix this? Thanks, Jeff Dahl 04:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I see it says 2006. _→AzaToth 12:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

False positive for vandalism

Don't know if this is the kind of problem you want to know about or whether the problem was with person using twinkle, but http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digital&diff=162999031&oldid=162995220 incorrectly identified some edits as vandalism. Nurg 04:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle is user controlled -- not bot controlled. Twinkle just reverts. So it's the user that made an identification mistake, not Twinkle. We all make mistakes -- discuss it with the reverting user. Gscshoyru 05:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Problems with twinkle ARV - possible bug?

I've been having trouble with twinkle's ARV feature. Whenever I try to submit a report to AIV using it, twinkle says that the action was completed succesfully, however, there is never any record in AIV's history that I ever edited the page. I use firefox 2.0.0.7 and do not use Norton internet security. Also, of the two scripts listed as being used for arv, morebits.js appeared to be the only edited since the recent "restructuring" listed as occuring on WP:TW started - when I manually imported an older version (from September) into my monobook.js file in place of the new one, the problem still occured. I don't think this is a problem with my computer's personal settings because I attempted to use twinkle from 2 public computers at different locations and encountered the same problem. All other aspects of twinkle seem to work fine, however (in firefox, at least).

Is this possibly a bug with twinkle? CrazyChemGuy 00:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

It has occured to me since the posting of the previous comment that editing WP:AIV sometimes causes an anti-spam prompt to appear to confirm that I am not a bot. If, like the editing of semi-protected pages, this only happens to accounts less that four days old, could this be the cause of this problem? CrazyChemGuy 17:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

It works for me. _→AzaToth 18:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I've looked into it a little more, and I think the fact that my account is less than 4 days old is the issue. Sorry for not thinking of that earlier!

Thanks for all your work in putting together this great tool! CrazyChemGuy 22:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

JS Console

While trying to track down some errors in my personal monobook.css and monobook.js files, I noticed Firefox's error console was complaining that: "Error: arr has no properties Source File: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User%3AAzaToth%2Fmorebits.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript Line: 623"

Is this anything I should be concerned about? --Gwern (contribs) 19:29 11 October 2007 (GMT)

 Fixed Was a forgotten thing in diff. _→AzaToth 22:43, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Email

FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 14:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Here you go

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For creating a brilliant program in Twinkle, for making that anti-silhouette script for me (makes viewing pages infinitely easier on the eyes now), and for being a code wiz (and tolerating my absolute inability to understand code, for that matter) Your work here is invaluable. Wizardman 17:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow...

More than 45 deletions per minute... Slow down before you burn out :-) --Agüeybaná 17:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

That's nothing. You should have seen me deleting prods a few weeks back. :-P —[[Animum | talk]] 17:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you have bot approval? :) Mercury 17:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

indexOf on array?

Please revert this. Or better yet, make it: if (wgUserGroups && wgUserGroups[0]=='sysop' && !window.disableSysopJS) ('sysop' is always the first element) ∴ Alex Smotrov 15:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

indexOf is a standard Javascript 1.6 method on arrays, is there any browsers still out there that won't handle that? _→AzaToth 15:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Your edit broke Common.js

I just reverted your edit on Common.js, as it stopped the entire script it's tracks. Please test your code in your monobook.js first before implementing changes. Thank you. — Edokter • Talk • 18:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

TW configurability

Hey there. I'd love it if I could configure the warning templates left on user talk pages by TW when I CSD an article; so I could put messages I feel fit better. Or barring that; have the old behavior of only opening the user talk for a warn tag I can then select myself. — Coren ^(talk) 02:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

{{Db-csd-notice}}

I have some concerns over this template and I wanted to consult with you before taking any other action. I'm sure the motivation behind creating it was good but, as I see it, it's having a net negative effect and increasing at least my workload at CAT:CSD. Informing users of why an article was deleted is considered important by many users—I think it's very important. Though this template does contain a link to the CSD criteria at issue, it is otherwise a one size fits all template. I think it is much better when the user recives actual information on the specifics of deletion, such as is done by {{nn-warn}}, {{empty-warn}}, {{spam-warn}}, {{nothanks}} and so on. Lately this template is catching on among some newpage patrollers which brought it to my notice. Not only do I think the users who are on the receiving end of the template are missing out, but when I delete an article and see this template used, I then feel compelled to add a specific admin deletion template, such as {{nn-warn-deletion}}, where before, if the user already received a tailored CSD warning template, my further warning would be redundant. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't heard from you so I have nominated the template for deletion. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Db-csd-notice.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle IP reporting

AzaToth, there's a thread at WT:AIV#Ips_reported_as_vandalism-only_accounts about editors reporting IPs as "vandalism only accounts" which doesn't make sense for obvious reasons. Most of the discussion is about educating editors to that effect, but I wonder if modifying Twinkle wouldn't be the easier way to go. Even a parenthetical message "doesn't apply to IPs" would be helpful, although ideally it would be impossible to report IPs like that. I don't have any code extensions or whatnot. I'm like the person who complains to the church lady in someone's example at ANI a few weeks ago: lots of good ideas, but no help with implementation! Anyway, what do you think?--chaser - t 08:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Username reporting by Twinkle

Would you consider removing or changing the username reporting functionality in Twinkle? Over the last 9 months or so, username policy enforcement has become more and more a problematic area for Wikipedia, and there is some evidence that automatic reporting by Twinkle has contributed to the problem. Also, there have been several calls for this functionality to be removed, most recently at the 3rd MfD for WP:RFCN. I looked at the interface and it doesn't really follow the suggested practice at WP:U, since it continues to rely on specific examples for reasons, while WP:U says this should not be done. Also, since people misuse the tool, it would be good to have a warning message at least telling users to thoroughly read WP:U before reporting usernames. But I think it would be best if either the functionality was simply removed, or at least if the reason checkboxes were removed and instead users were required to manually explain why a username is a violation. Mangojuice^talk 14:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing at WP:U that says that using the examples are prohibited. All choices defined by the given examples, are groupted under the fix main categories, so they are taken care of. And as the section about inappropriate usernames are under discussion, I must wait until there has been a consensus. _→AzaToth 14:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

They are examples, but not reasons. WP:U specifically says "usernames should not be considered inappropriate unless one of the 5 general reasons applies." Twinkle doesn't work that way though, from the interface, if I wasn't familiar with WP:U, I would think those are the reasons we use for names to be blocked. But much more important, IMO, is that there have been multiple calls for Twinkle to not encourage username reporting. It has been identified as part of the problem with WP:RFCN in both its 1st and 3rd MFDs, and has been mentioned in other contexts too. Do you want to open up a wider discussion about it? Mangojuice^talk 16:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me collect some diffs for you. In addition to my request here (this is the second time), there have been comments from:Is he back? (twice), Nick, Rspeer and SamBC (multiple times), Cascadia and HighinBC, Viridae, Wimt and Eagle101 have all pointed to Twinkle's username reporting as causing difficulties, with several of those users specifically wanting the functionality shut down. Mangojuice^talk 03:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		AzaToth, thank you for creating and maintaining Twinkle. Your skill and hard work are greatly appreciated. WODUP (?) 00:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of Pivot state

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Pivot state, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Pivot state is a redirect to a non-existent page (CSD R1).

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Pivot state, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. CSDWarnBot 13:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

TW CSD

Hi, while your in the area of CSD handling in TW, could you review bug 42 for a possible solution to the current problem. Thanks. → AA ^(talk) — 13:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

User Warning

Hello, first of all, I thank you for everything you do on Wikipedia: It's a great work. Is it possible to add a new notice to the "warn" function? I would like to add uw-username. Thank you. Martial BACQUET 20:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Tw probs

I click rollback vandal. It says it is completed. I check history and my revert isn't there. I warn vandal. Says completed. Warning worked, revert didn't. UncleGiggo 16:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done - Fixed. UncleGiggo 16:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Warning:Javascript security issue

Hi! I need to inform you that I've protected Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Add_LI_link because it allows users to add code to the javascript of other users. If you are an admin, you are still able to edit it, but if you are not an admin, please copy and paste it into your userspace to continue modifying it. We can set up a message at the old javascript page telling users to change their links. If you need help, please contact me or User:Eagle_101. Thanks, --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹnoɟʇs 00:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle Bug in twinklexfd.js

I'm a VandalProof user, and it appears that an extraneous comma in twinklexfd.js is causing a JavaScript error to be thrown at me from within VP. It's on line 11376, character 81...the last entry in the hashmap definition has a comma after it when it shouldn't. I'd really appreciate it if you could remove it so VP won't throw that script error at me anymore. Thanks! --Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 14:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

There are only 1459 lines in twinklexfd.js _→AzaToth 16:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Line 1376...sorry about that, put an extra 1 in there! --Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 17:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed. But I can't understand why they can't handle commas at the end, it's so simple. _→AzaToth 17:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Heh, there's lots of things about IE that could be better! Thanks much! --Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 18:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle bug: Sockpuppet feature

When using the sockpuppet feature, I start at the primary user's (puppetmaster) user page and activate the ARV tab. I select "Sockpuppet" enter the other users that I suspect this user is the puppetmaster for. When Twinkle places the sockpuppet template on those pages, it incorrectly uses that user's name in the template rather than that of the puppetmaster. It also doesn't place the puppetmaster template on the primary user's user page. Let me know if you need any more details! Thanks! --Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 14:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Please block

Hi, i created a Bot account (User:WelcomeWikiBot) that was denied at BAG. I would like the account to be indef blocked to prevent misuse. Thank you, -- (Cocoaguy ここがいい _contribs^talk) 02:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. _→AzaToth 09:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Great thanks, -- (Cocoaguy ここがいい _contribs^talk) 14:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Combining WP:TWINKLE (warn) with WP:FRIENDLY

Hi, I know you have previously mentioned that TW will not incorporate any warning templates outside of the uw-* range. However, I think it will be beneficial for the community to have one single extensible warning tool. I have made a suggestion for an enhancment to WP:FRIENDLY to allow user configurable tags. However, I'm wondering whether a similar customisation layer can be incorporated into TW to allow users to configure additional templates for warning/tagging articles. It will mean you don't have to maintain the templates, just the interface. How does that sound? → AA ^(talk) — 16:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's a quick hack to show how it could work (I'm not a JS native - so there will undoubtedly be a better way to do this :). If multiple subcategories could be supported rather than a single one (e.g. instead of custom, allow userdefined customwarn, customtag, customxxx, etc) it would allow better organisation also. It could be used like this. What do you think, worthy of integrating into TW? → AA ^(talk) — 17:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Tweaking Twinkle

Hi AzaToth. I hope you don't mind if I suggest an idea that would be helpful for the (few) of us who clean up Category:Images on Wikimedia Commons. One particularly annoying task occurs when the Commons version of the image is under a different name which means that all instances of the image have to be renamed individually. I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal to add a Twinkle feature for this by adapting the code used to delete backlink orphans. Of course, there is a higher potential of someone mass-replacing a picture of Queen Elizabeth by a giant penis but maybe we can think of safeguards to avoid abuse. For instance, this could be an option only available when you delete the image, so at least it would be admin-only. Pascal.Tesson 22:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Help

Twinkle keeps saying: "We hit a max lag of <number> seconds, retrying in 5 seconds." Whats up? UncleGiggo 23:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Temporary problem only. _→AzaToth 23:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle

Hi, you just closed my bug report with 'A clear ZoneAlarm issue.' could you explain what this meens? I have cleared my cache and still does not work. Tiddly-Tom 15:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

That error message usually appear when people are using Windows with ZoneAlarm or Norton Internet Security. They have a habit of hijacking the http stream and makes the downloaded text non-parseable. _→AzaToth 15:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I have disabled Norton, still same problem. Any suggestions? Tiddly-Tom 16:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Still not working, you can see my monobook here Tiddly-Tom 12:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Just tried it on one of my other computers that runs XP and it works fine, just not on the vista one. It worked fine on it before.... Tiddly-Tom 13:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope this is the right place to ask about Twinkle

I just want to know if an editor can use twinkle in revert wars? If not, then what should be done about it? Thanks for your time,--CrohnieGal^Talk 14:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

CSD warning problem

When listing a page for speedy, the author was automatically notified. Where it should say in the message
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page
It said
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on [[Talk:{{{1}}}|the article's talk page]]
For my revert see: here. Thanks! UncleGiggo 01:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

All of the Twinkle templates are now posted

I just finished. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Templates. The only criteria that don't have separate templates are U1 and U2 because no warning would ever be needed. The first is self-requested by the user for deletion of a page they made so they don't need to be told, and the second is for a non-existent userpage, so it's author doesn't exist to warn.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to implement them as soon as possible. _→AzaToth 14:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		Thanks for making User:AzaToth/twinkledelimages.js; I find an infinitely useful tool, and backlogs for images would be much worse without it. Maxim(talk) (contributions) 14:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Unreferenced

I am concerned about the unprotection of template:unreferenced. That article is used in an enormous number of articles, and is thus a target for various sorts of vandalism that I would prefer not to think about. I am going to reprotect it temporarily, but if there is a reason why it really needs to eb unprotected please feel free to unprotect it again. It's just very scary to me to have that template unprotected. — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)