User talk:Badgerpatrol

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Can you help?[edit]

Your chat with Filll mentioned your expertise and interests. Having followed Charles Darwin's path to Glen Roy, I put together a wee article which seemingly got vandalised to read "My name is Glen Roy" and speedy deleted in a way that lost all the info. I restored the references, but didn't have a copy of the text and left it unfinished. An anon has done some work on it that looks worthy, but desperately needs formatted etc., and I'm bogged down with three other things just now. Would you be interested in looking it over? Similarly, the visit of King George IV to Scotland brought me to Glen Tilt via Scott's Radical Road, and I'd be grateful if you could cast an eye over that article. Perhaps you'd also find James Hutton, Plutonism, Neptunism, Unconformity and Siccar Point of some interest. So many articles, and so little time! .. dave souza, talk 09:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles closed[edit]

The above named Arbitration case has closed. The Arbitration Committee decided that [a]ny user who hereafter engages in edit-warring or disruptive editing on these or related articles may be placed on Wikipedia:Probation by any uninvolved administrator. This may include any user who was a party to this case, or any other user after a warning has been given. The Committee also decided to uplift Vintagekits' indefinite block at the same time.

The full decision can be viewed here.

For the Arbitration Committee, Daniel 08:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

NOR Request for arbitration[edit]

Because of your participation in discussions relating to the "PSTS" model in the No original research article, I am notifying you that a request for arbitration has been opened here. I invite you to provide a statement encouraging the Arbcom to review this matter, so that we can settle it once and for all. COGDEN 23:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Pack mentality[edit]


I agree with your comments about pack mentality. Feel free to look at my contribs and tell me whether I am doing anything which I merits a constant reminder that I am "on probation". I have not been blocked in over 13 months, and I'm trying to work with "consensus" in mind, but many of my edits seem to get rolled back simply because I'm not "one the guys". Or maybe I'm just imagining it, and I'm the one who needs to change. (It only seems to happen on article related to controversies about science or pseudoscience.) --Uncle Ed (talk) 22:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent comment[edit]

Hi BP. Thank you for your recent comment on ANI, which is reasonably and tactfully stated and sums up my feelings exactly. I think Carcharoth's suggestion is the right one, though it would require considerable energy on the part of whoever takes up the task. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 18:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


I apologize with all of my heart for offending you in the battle to get Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event to FA status. My issues were not with your science but with the fact that you were critical yet not willing to edit. I took it personally, and I should not have. Please accept my apologies, so that we can ally on the various science articles that are constantly under attack on Wikipedia. For the record, I never attack personally. I don't actually believe there is a good definition for civility. And I give good faith to those who earn it. We may differ on those points, but let's assume that we cannot be clones of each other, and for the common good of a solid SPOV, we can tolerate variations of behavior. Anyways, I do apologize to you personally and publicly. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your words in good faith. But my issues with your behaviour are not personal. You (and the other members of your editing group) have behaved unreasonably to me in the past and that is mitigated by the above apology. That does not however excuse you from treating anyone with the arrogance and incivility that you regularly display. For the record, you certainly do make personal attacks - either that or you have a definition of "personal attack" that is so skewed as to be unrecognisable to a reasonable person. There is a good definition of civility of wikipedia which I think most would recognise - and that is that you ought to treat people online with the same respect that you do in real life. I struggle to accept for one moment that you would behave in face to face conversation the way you do on-wiki - if so your life must be filled with bitterness and aggression. And "assume good faith" means exactly that - assume good faith. It doesn't have to be "earned" - it is a default position; good faith can only be lost.
Nonetheless, thank you for your apology, which is genuinely appreciated, and I hope you take my words above in the spirit in which they are intended. Badgerpatrol (talk) 01:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I do appreciate your accepting my apology. I think if you read WP:NPA, I actually stick just this side of it. Civility, on the other hand, I just don'g agree with, though I try to be nice about it. I'm not sure what you mean by "my editing group", since that varies from article to article. The Evolution articles annoy me, because of the Creationist POV attacks. That's why I like the peace of the K-T and similar articles. Lots of good reference sources and such.
With regards to AGF, I wish I remember the link, but a couple of very good, and very respected admins point out that once someone asks you to assume good faith, that's an assumption that you haven't AGF'ed. So, it gets confusing. Let me put it another way. Do you know how many times I've given AGF to editors who ended up being socks of blocked editors? I'm cynical. And yeah, I guess the AGF has to be earned in my opinion. I've watched your edits, for example, and I now assume, with good faith, that you are a scientist, holding up the Scientific POV. If you call me "asshole", I'll be all right with that, because I deserve it. Your slapping me about side the head for my civility and whatever else means more to me than say a Whiny Creationist POV warrior whining about my behavior. I guess in a complicated way, you've earned my high respect. It isn't given lightly. And I'll try to give AGF more often (since you could rightly point out that if I had given you AGF, we might not be arguing at all); however, if I get screwed over by a sock, I'm going to ask you to pour a big shot of Scotch Whiskey. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 06:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

University Challenge picture[edit]

it's ok mate, I was just being narcissitic. You see, I'm the Varley in the B&W pic.

what year were you on?

EDIT: sorry, but no colour pic, I only have that one. One of the other guys might have, I'll email round —Preceding unsigned comment added by Varlac (talkcontribs) 19:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

EDIT 2: found one! on youtube of all places. I was so young and pretty

Varlac (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen MacLoughlin[edit]

Hi. I noticed that you nominated this article for deletion. I think the template buggered the nom up, which happens from time to time - so, I corrected it for you. I also added the debate to today's log, which adds it to the list of active deletion debates. Since it's been a few days since you created the nomination, I went ahead and started the 5 day time today, to give plenty of time for discussion. Just an FYI. Best, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 15:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, didn't even notice the fact that you withdrew the nom. Just ignore all the above, then, as I've closed the debate for you. If you renominate, don't forget to add (2nd nomination) to the end, to keep everything separate. Thanks, and sorry for the confusion. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 15:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea what went wrong with your nom but I have added it today as an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen MacLoughlin (2nd nomination). Darrenhusted (talk) 09:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

What's a state school?[edit]

Hi, I was wondering about your change to James McCartney [1] - what's a state school, and how do you know they went to them? Just curious, thanks. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 17:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I think Anchoress found the state school page which explains all. Of course had it been in Glasgow it could have been a public school ;) Have added excessive referencing for the point, no doubt someone can choose the best and delete one as surplus. By the way, the school's a red link, as it appears in ... dave souza, talk 19:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of cultural misunderstandings, surely your user page list should include London Bridge ;) . .. dave souza, talk 20:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for linking to American Exceptionalism. It was through your link that I discovered what has become my favorite article. (We're living in an American world, and I am an American girl parody of madonna's material girl) --Lemmey (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


Has someone create the associated article as well or just submiited it to ITN. If yes, Delta Air Lines-Northwest Airlines merger should be merged with it --Smallbig (talk) 17:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

My opinion is that this in an iportant event that is worthy of its own article. It is the biggest airline merger ever and therefore, IMO, deserves an article. --Smallbig (talk) 17:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


Badger, you have my apologies, I wrote that on little sleep and in the middle of a fight with people on WP:FOOTY. That was out of line. -- Grant.Alpaugh 13:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Permian–Triassic extinction event[edit]

I see that in section "Methane hydrate gasification" you've changed "δ13C means the change or variance in the ratio 13C/12C" to "δ13C means the variation in the ratio 13C/12C". Could you please explain your reasons at Talk:Permian–Triassic extinction event and I'll explain mine. I suspect the issue may hinge on how the "base" value is calculated.

Your edit comment was "I don't think this section is appropriate- the correct way to go would be to improve the associated articles and wikilink to them." I assume you mean the articles about isotope analysis, "parts per", etc. I think there are good reasons for explaining the terms and notation up front, including the principle that articles should be as self-contained as possible, and again I think we should discuss the subject at Talk:Permian–Triassic extinction event. Philcha (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Another edit comment that puzzled me: "in fact isolated shells are probably more commonly used overall than bulk carbonate, but most common proxy vectors did not exist in the Permian":

  • "isolated shells" of what? If organisms, they should contain the C-12 bias that's typical of biochemistry.
  • Forgive my ignorance, but what is "most common proxy vectors did not exist in the Permian" about?

Might be a good idea to explain in Talk:Permian–Triassic extinction event (if you have not already done so by the time I've finished typing this!) Philcha (talk) 10:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow! You've just proved that you're infinitely better qualified than I am to remedy the inadequacies of the geochemistry articles as far as paleontology is concerned. Please do so before I get frustrated with them and bodge them.
PS I note the comment on your user page "Give me a kicking if I deserve it, don't if I don't. Cheers." You should be more assertive - the mini-essay you sent me showed that there fields in which you have every right to be. If someone gives you trouble, give me a call - you've already seen that I can be pretty short with wiki-bullies.
PPS You should say a bit more about yourself on your User page, so that people will appreciate you better.
PPPS(!) Are you a another Brit? I think I noticed some British English spellings, and the "Unlikely cultural misunderstandings encountered on Wikipedia" suggests you are (Americans aren't usually aware of such things). Philcha (talk) 11:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Dark Matters (man, the puns just don't stop)[edit]

Hey just so you know I can only talk about the media coverage I've seen, I don't regularly read the Guardian or see the Guardian's website, so I couldn't know about coverage there. Unless I missed it nobody said the Guardian covered the story, so maybe you should stop being so personal about this. All I said was that I didn't see any coverage and I happen to see a lot of American based coverage.

You made this personal and I think I deserve an apology for that. You insinuated that anyone who didn't support the story was uneducated or uninteligent in both your comments and now your edit summaries. You've crossed a line.

Also, your edit summary about the NYPD shooting could be seen as racist.  ;-) -- Grant.Alpaugh 17:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Badger, saying that my argument was wrong is simply not good enough. I can make the exact same argument about you. The bottom line is that you crossed a line, and more infuriating, you did it while saying that you didn't want to cross a line. Being insulted while being told you're not being insulted will drive most people crazy. You insinuated that I was stupid for not supporting the story, which was absolutely out of line. I know I responded in kind with foul language, but I've apologized for that, while you, Badger, have not apologized for your transgression. Please do so. -- Grant.Alpaugh 21:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Falklands War task force[edit]

Hey man, I'm thinking about creating a Falklands War task force on wikipedia and noticed that you've edited on the subject a number of times. Would you be interested in joining if I set it up? Cheers mate, --Tefalstar (talk) 19:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Mothers day present[edit]

Just in case you still need to buy mom a gift, get her a book --Lemmey talk 21:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

you know what it's like, you get too tied up in wiki-drama and need to step away for a while. --Fred Chilton (talk) 17:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


SpecialBarnstar.png The Special Barnstar
For keeping a level head while looking out for the ITN:C and the way it is run. As a fellow contributor to the template, I appreciate your efforts over at Raul's talk page and award you with this barnstar. Keep up the good work! PlasmaTwa2 03:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


What don't you get about the criteria for ITN is international interest or importance. If there is significant international interest in an encyclopedic entry, then we put it on ITN. It really is that simple. ITN is not the place for ecclectic stories that some people find interesting. That's what "Did You Know?" is more suited for. On ITN we post significant updates to articles involved in current events of international interest. If you don't think that there is international interest in this race, you are sorely, sorely mistaken. Look at all the news services online, they are all covering this story and if/when Clinton drops out, there will be tons more coverage of that as well, which was what I was proposing. There is interest in this story, just because you don't think there ought to be, doesn't change the fact that there is interest in the story. How many different ways do I have to explain the ITN criteria to you? How else would you define "interest" if that's not the right way? I fail to see what the misunderstanding is. -- Grant.Alpaugh 17:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with that, but as you are well aware, as ITN currently exists, there is absolutely no reason not to put this up. Please argue within hypothetical criteria in places other than ITN/C, as that forum exists to discuss candidates within the current criteria. I understand you feel it should be changed, but until that happens maybe one of the talk pages or another project page would be a better place for that discussion. -- Grant.Alpaugh 17:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Matthew Marsden[edit]

Matthew Marsden has not been in coronation street for over 10 years and has trained with Army Rangers (Black Hawk Down), Navy seals(BHD again) and Thai special forces (Rambo). Why is it such a stretch that his is working with german combat swimmers? To talk about Marsden as a guy from Corrie is like calling Russel Crowe or Guy Pierce as guys from Neighbors. He is an actor and has been in movies longer that the one year that he did in that British show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you should even get the title of Anacondas right.His imdb page says thathe frequently trains with the german commandos. Also in BHD he trained with the US army Rangers and the tech adviser was Harry Humphries a former Navy Seal. Please look into your research a little more thoroughly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

This is absurd. IMDB is a vetted website where you have to log on and give your email address if you want to go on the boards.It is not a site like wiki that has people write what they want on.Watch the extras of Black Hawk Down and Rambo and you might see what i am talking about. FYI if you are a fan of TRANSFORMERS you would see that he has been cast as a UK Special forces member again and is working with the same SEAL that instructed him in BHD.Believe what you want to.It is sad that you have an obvious dislike of the man. Ask yourself this...isnt it a bit abstract for it to be said that he works with German special forces when he has already worked with Seals, Rangers and Delta force? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This conversation is amongst the most surreal I have ever had on Wikipedia (and that's saying something). As you correctly surmise, I have had a personal hatred of the well-known actor Matthew Marsden ever since he dumped Deirdre and got Our Tracy Love up the duff whilst Ken was on holiday back in '98. For all these years I have been waiting for the chance to sabotage his Wiki entry by removing unsourced information and asking others to source it with a reliable reference. This is my confession, you have got me bang to rights, I am ashamed to admit it, and I am waiting humbly by the door for the rozzers to arrive and cart me off to the big house.
PS - Don't feel the need to comment on my page again, because I'm afraid this conversation has run its course. If you have a reliable source for the information (which may or may not be true) then put it back in. You are completely wrong about the IMDB, which is well known on-Wiki for its extremely lax contribution vetting procedures (perhaps you could post to WP:RS/N for conformation of this, if you so desire, if this doesn't satisfy you) and is not generally regarded as a reliable source for this kind of biographic trivia. As an aside, please learn to format discussion threads appropriately in future, to save me having to do it for you. Best regards, Badgerpatrol (talk) 09:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Matthew Marsden - Kampfschwimmerkompanie[edit]

Sorry for the joke in bad taste, but I just couldn't help myself! and that's because I know the "true story" about the Marsden-Kampfschwimmerkompanie connection. I didn't realize how seriously you were taking things. I apologize for offending you that way. It won’t happen again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonnyblue (talkcontribs) 12:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)Bonnyblue (talk) 12:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[edit]

Can you please correct his name to Alex as soon as possible?


Martin (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

De re publica[edit]

Oh, sorry about that. I misread the change summary: I thought the bit about sounding British had been added instead of taken out. Yes, that statement certainly shouldn't be in there. RJC TalkContribs 19:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Spasmodic Fucktards[edit]

Sorry - accidentally gave you a template warning a minute ago for the speedy deletion of a vandal redirect. I see now that you moved the article back from a vandal pagemove. Graymornings(talk) 07:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Troubles Arbitration Case: Amendment for discretionary sanctions[edit]

As a party in The Troubles arbitration case I am notifying you that an amendment request has been posted here.

For the Arbitration Committee

Seddon talk|WikimediaUK 16:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Nomination of Michael Eysenck for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Michael Eysenck is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Eysenck until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. mabdul 12:54, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Clarification motion[edit]

A case (The Troubles) in which you were involved has been modified by motion which changed the wording of the discretionary sanctions section to clarify that the scope applies to pages, not just articles. For the arbitration committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 21:07, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)